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So why not show us what a packed Belzec grave looks like?SanityCheck wrote: ↑Tue Sep 09, 2025 9:08 pm I just want to, for clarity, show the forum what a 2-3 corpse per meter packing density looks like..
Keen wrote: ↑Wed Sep 10, 2025 1:06 amRight:Stubble wrote: ↑Wed Sep 10, 2025 12:42 amEdited. Check quoted post.Keen wrote: ↑Wed Sep 10, 2025 12:24 am
Stubble, how can you fall for this Belzec mass grave shit when you know that the 7 fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" that Kola alleged he discovered at Sobibor turned out to be utter bullshit? If Kola was proven to be a total fraud at Sobibor, what makes you think he's telling the truth about Belzec?
Stubble:
I know you're not buying into the "huge mass grave" lie 100%, but by playing the game that you are playing - i.e. - arguing over the space needed to bury x amount of jews, you are just wasting your time. Arguing that issue is like arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.Regarding the grave contents of the alleged mass graves at Belzec, it is my opinion, if those graves are ever proven, found in the graves will be those DOA, incurable and 'euthanized' under 14f13 and those subjected to 14f14 as partisans.
You were on the right track here:
https://www.codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=353
That's the only debate that matters when it comes to the fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves"
"Strongly suggests"
can be LEGALLY established as fact in a U.S. court.It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II, the bodies and burnt remains of hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of jews were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations to the contrary, the truth is, the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the one hundred graves / cremation pits in question that are fraudulently alleged to have been “scientifically proven” to currently exist at these five sites, in which verified human remains have been uncovered / tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology, contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.
Thanks for taking that the way I intended it. (I admitt I could have said it much better.)Stubble wrote: ↑Wed Sep 10, 2025 1:21 am It's a fair point Keen, and I appreciate the reminder about tilting at windmills.
I've got plenty enough on my plate already without running through the mental masturbation of hypothetically examining the capacity of space that is merely alleged. You're not wrong.
I think it's laughable that you expect paperwork here, but you have zero expectations of any paperwork whatsoever concerning mass resettlement. If you find nothing, I'm sure your opinion about that won't change, is that right?Stubble wrote: ↑Tue Sep 09, 2025 11:45 pmI beg your pardon?bombsaway wrote: ↑Tue Sep 09, 2025 10:49 pmWould you say this is like a maximum for graves in a hypothetical extermination camp (violating SOP by virtue of its existence) where burial space was limited? Or graves in general. No burial graves can contain more than 100 kg per cubic meter. Hard rule.Stubble wrote: ↑Tue Sep 09, 2025 9:17 pm Nick,
Given this pivot, now I have more research. I'll get to it. I'm still winnowing 't' series documents looking for missing persons. I will get to it.
In the mean time, I firmly stand by my estimates of the graves at the Bug River camps being capable of holding roughly 10% of the alleged tally.
Btw your issue of rainwater spillage could be remedied by creating mounds around the graves, done with the excavated dirt.
I don't think you want to ask me what I would expect a Nazi Extermination camp to look like.
I will tell you here and now, I would not expect any violation of corpse handling SOP, and I would expect exacting protocols for the operation, signed, stamped and sealed. For starters.
You are dead wrong, I fully expect to find correspondent paperwork with interim resettlement. Hence I'm looking.bombsaway wrote: ↑Wed Sep 10, 2025 1:38 amI think it's laughable that you expect paperwork here, but you have zero expectations of any paperwork whatsoever concerning mass resettlement. If you find nothing, I'm sure your opinion about that won't change, is that right?Stubble wrote: ↑Tue Sep 09, 2025 11:45 pmI beg your pardon?bombsaway wrote: ↑Tue Sep 09, 2025 10:49 pm
Would you say this is like a maximum for graves in a hypothetical extermination camp (violating SOP by virtue of its existence) where burial space was limited? Or graves in general. No burial graves can contain more than 100 kg per cubic meter. Hard rule.
Btw your issue of rainwater spillage could be remedied by creating mounds around the graves, done with the excavated dirt.
I don't think you want to ask me what I would expect a Nazi Extermination camp to look like.
I will tell you here and now, I would not expect any violation of corpse handling SOP, and I would expect exacting protocols for the operation, signed, stamped and sealed. For starters.
It's established within orthodoxy that some Hungarian Jewish families survived in Nazi custody. What is not evidenced is the Reinhardt Jews being resettled in the ussr. 1.4 million people. There's nothing and I doubt it will bother you very much if you nor anyone else ever find anythingStubble wrote: ↑Wed Sep 10, 2025 1:43 amYou are dead wrong, I fully expect to find correspondent paperwork with interim resettlement. Hence I'm looking.bombsaway wrote: ↑Wed Sep 10, 2025 1:38 amI think it's laughable that you expect paperwork here, but you have zero expectations of any paperwork whatsoever concerning mass resettlement. If you find nothing, I'm sure your opinion about that won't change, is that right?Stubble wrote: ↑Tue Sep 09, 2025 11:45 pm
I beg your pardon?
I don't think you want to ask me what I would expect a Nazi Extermination camp to look like.
I will tell you here and now, I would not expect any violation of corpse handling SOP, and I would expect exacting protocols for the operation, signed, stamped and sealed. For starters.
I haven't found all of your Hungarian Cohort, but, the number of missing continues to dwindle.
Some of the Hungarian Cohort legitimately may have died.
/shrug
If I were arguing that side I wouldn't even mention the landfill possibility since that makes the already inadequate soil disruptions even less impressive.Keen wrote: ↑Tue Sep 09, 2025 9:56 pmSanityCheck wrote: ↑Tue Sep 09, 2025 9:08 pm Belzec appears extreme for the packing of corpses into what was effectively a landfill site
"A landfill site"!
This just keeps getting better and better.
And "extreme packing"!
Nessie, look up "saponification" and "adipocere." Saponified bodies do not turn into liquid, and they do not magically disappear. The fat converts into a waxy or soap-like substance.
Meaning the waxy mass had the same effect as a liquid, filling all available space, at the bottom of the grave.Archie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 10, 2025 5:46 amNessie, look up "saponification" and "adipocere." Saponified bodies do not turn into liquid, and they do not magically disappear. The fat converts into a waxy or soap-like substance.
If there were saponified corpses, the main thing that would suggest is that the ground was pretty wet.
What graves?Nessie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 10, 2025 6:13 amMeaning the waxy mass had the same effect as a liquid, filling all available space, at the bottom of the grave.Archie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 10, 2025 5:46 amNessie, look up "saponification" and "adipocere." Saponified bodies do not turn into liquid, and they do not magically disappear. The fat converts into a waxy or soap-like substance.
If there were saponified corpses, the main thing that would suggest is that the ground was pretty wet.
Kola didn't "find" jack shit.
which can be LEGALLY established as fact in a U.S. court, tells you all you need to know about the fraud Kola, and the other frauds (Colls & Haimi for example) involved in the laughable childish attempt to create the cognitive illusion that "huge mass graves" have been scientifically discovered.It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II, the bodies and burnt remains of hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of jews were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations to the contrary, the truth is, the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the one hundred graves / cremation pits in question that are fraudulently alleged to have been “scientifically proven” to currently exist at these five sites, in which verified human remains have been uncovered / tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology, contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.
The "study" doesn't prove a thing.As for how many died at Belzec, again that is unknown and we can't accurately extrapolate from Kola's study.
The study doesn't prove any specific number
Ah, he's back to the magically disappearing jew theory again.
'Meaning the waxy mass had the same effect as a liquid, filling all available space