Stubble, how can you fall for this Belzec mass grave shit when you know that the 7 fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" that Kola alleged he discovered at Sobibor turned out to be utter bullshit? If Kola was proven to be a total fraud at Sobibor, what makes you think he's telling the truth about Belzec?
Edited. Check quoted post.
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Stubble:
Regarding the grave contents of the alleged mass graves at Belzec, it is my opinion, if those graves are ever proven, found in the graves will be those DOA, incurable and 'euthanized' under 14f13 and those subjected to 14f14 as partisans.
I know you're not buying into the "huge mass grave" lie 100%, but by playing the game that you are playing - i.e. - arguing over the space needed to bury x amount of jews, you are just wasting your time. Arguing that issue is like arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
That's the only debate that matters when it comes to the fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves"
It's a fair point Keen, and I appreciate the reminder about tilting at windmills.
I've got plenty enough on my plate already without running through the mental masturbation of hypothetically examining the capacity of space that is merely alleged. You're not wrong.
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If I were to guess why no t4 personnel were chosen to perform gassing that had experience with gassing, it would be because THERE WERE NONE.
bombsaway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 10:47 pm
The Kola study... strongly suggests that mass burial took place
"Strongly suggests"
bombsaway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 10:47 pm
As for how many died at Belzec, again that is unknown and we can't accurately extrapolate from Kola's study. The study doesn't prove any specific number
Right bombsaway, that is why this statement of fact:
It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II, the bodies and burnt remains of hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of jews were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations to the contrary, the truth is, the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the one hundred graves / cremation pits in question that are fraudulently alleged to have been “scientifically proven” to currently exist at these five sites, in which verified human remains have been uncovered / tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology, contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.
can be LEGALLY established as fact in a U.S. court.
If the evidence for a claim that - HAS TO EXIST - in order for the claim to be true - DOES NOT EXIST - then the claim is obviously false.
Stubble wrote: ↑Wed Sep 10, 2025 1:21 am
It's a fair point Keen, and I appreciate the reminder about tilting at windmills.
I've got plenty enough on my plate already without running through the mental masturbation of hypothetically examining the capacity of space that is merely alleged. You're not wrong.
Thanks for taking that the way I intended it. (I admitt I could have said it much better.)
Keep up the good work.
If the evidence for a claim that - HAS TO EXIST - in order for the claim to be true - DOES NOT EXIST - then the claim is obviously false.
Given this pivot, now I have more research. I'll get to it. I'm still winnowing 't' series documents looking for missing persons. I will get to it.
In the mean time, I firmly stand by my estimates of the graves at the Bug River camps being capable of holding roughly 10% of the alleged tally.
Would you say this is like a maximum for graves in a hypothetical extermination camp (violating SOP by virtue of its existence) where burial space was limited? Or graves in general. No burial graves can contain more than 100 kg per cubic meter. Hard rule.
Btw your issue of rainwater spillage could be remedied by creating mounds around the graves, done with the excavated dirt.
I beg your pardon?
I don't think you want to ask me what I would expect a Nazi Extermination camp to look like.
I will tell you here and now, I would not expect any violation of corpse handling SOP, and I would expect exacting protocols for the operation, signed, stamped and sealed. For starters.
I think it's laughable that you expect paperwork here, but you have zero expectations of any paperwork whatsoever concerning mass resettlement. If you find nothing, I'm sure your opinion about that won't change, is that right?
Would you say this is like a maximum for graves in a hypothetical extermination camp (violating SOP by virtue of its existence) where burial space was limited? Or graves in general. No burial graves can contain more than 100 kg per cubic meter. Hard rule.
Btw your issue of rainwater spillage could be remedied by creating mounds around the graves, done with the excavated dirt.
I beg your pardon?
I don't think you want to ask me what I would expect a Nazi Extermination camp to look like.
I will tell you here and now, I would not expect any violation of corpse handling SOP, and I would expect exacting protocols for the operation, signed, stamped and sealed. For starters.
I think it's laughable that you expect paperwork here, but you have zero expectations of any paperwork whatsoever concerning mass resettlement. If you find nothing, I'm sure your opinion about that won't change, is that right?
You are dead wrong, I fully expect to find correspondent paperwork with interim resettlement. Hence I'm looking.
I haven't found all of your Hungarian Cohort, but, the number of missing continues to dwindle.
Some of the Hungarian Cohort legitimately may have died.
/shrug
If I were to guess why no t4 personnel were chosen to perform gassing that had experience with gassing, it would be because THERE WERE NONE.
Stubble wrote: ↑Tue Sep 09, 2025 11:45 pm
I beg your pardon?
I don't think you want to ask me what I would expect a Nazi Extermination camp to look like.
I will tell you here and now, I would not expect any violation of corpse handling SOP, and I would expect exacting protocols for the operation, signed, stamped and sealed. For starters.
I think it's laughable that you expect paperwork here, but you have zero expectations of any paperwork whatsoever concerning mass resettlement. If you find nothing, I'm sure your opinion about that won't change, is that right?
You are dead wrong, I fully expect to find correspondent paperwork with interim resettlement. Hence I'm looking.
I haven't found all of your Hungarian Cohort, but, the number of missing continues to dwindle.
Some of the Hungarian Cohort legitimately may have died.
/shrug
It's established within orthodoxy that some Hungarian Jewish families survived in Nazi custody. What is not evidenced is the Reinhardt Jews being resettled in the ussr. 1.4 million people. There's nothing and I doubt it will bother you very much if you nor anyone else ever find anything
SanityCheck wrote: ↑Tue Sep 09, 2025 9:08 pm
Belzec appears extreme for the packing of corpses into what was effectively a landfill site
"A landfill site"! for "liquid" jews!!!
This just keeps getting better and better.
And "extreme packing"! That sounds like something you do with Roberto on a weekend night.
If I were arguing that side I wouldn't even mention the landfill possibility since that makes the already inadequate soil disruptions even less impressive.
With decomposition, they in effect became a liquid, which Kola found with his borehole samples and referred to as a waxy mass.
Nessie, look up "saponification" and "adipocere." Saponified bodies do not turn into liquid, and they do not magically disappear. The fat converts into a waxy or soap-like substance.
If there were saponified corpses, the main thing that would suggest is that the ground was pretty wet.
With decomposition, they in effect became a liquid, which Kola found with his borehole samples and referred to as a waxy mass.
Nessie, look up "saponification" and "adipocere." Saponified bodies do not turn into liquid, and they do not magically disappear. The fat converts into a waxy or soap-like substance.
If there were saponified corpses, the main thing that would suggest is that the ground was pretty wet.
Meaning the waxy mass had the same effect as a liquid, filling all available space, at the bottom of the grave.
With decomposition, they in effect became a liquid, which Kola found with his borehole samples and referred to as a waxy mass.
Nessie, look up "saponification" and "adipocere." Saponified bodies do not turn into liquid, and they do not magically disappear. The fat converts into a waxy or soap-like substance.
If there were saponified corpses, the main thing that would suggest is that the ground was pretty wet.
Meaning the waxy mass had the same effect as a liquid, filling all available space, at the bottom of the grave.
What graves?
Not one grave, mass or otherwise, has ever been proven to exist at Belzec.
NOT. ONE.
If the evidence for a claim that - HAS TO EXIST - in order for the claim to be true - DOES NOT EXIST - then the claim is obviously false.
Nessie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 10, 2025 6:13 am
With decomposition, they in effect became a liquid, which Kola found with his borehole samples and referred to as a waxy mass.
Kola didn't "find" jack shit.
The discredited fraud made an unsubstantiated allegation.
NOTHING that the discredited lying fraud ever alleged has been substantiated.
Unsubstantiated allegations made by discredited frauds is not evidence.
This statement of fact:
It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II, the bodies and burnt remains of hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of jews were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations to the contrary, the truth is, the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the one hundred graves / cremation pits in question that are fraudulently alleged to have been “scientifically proven” to currently exist at these five sites, in which verified human remains have been uncovered / tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology, contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.
which can be LEGALLY established as fact in a U.S. court, tells you all you need to know about the fraud Kola, and the other frauds (Colls & Haimi for example) involved in the laughable childish attempt to create the cognitive illusion that "huge mass graves" have been scientifically discovered.
If the evidence for a claim that - HAS TO EXIST - in order for the claim to be true - DOES NOT EXIST - then the claim is obviously false.
