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Stubble wrote: Thu Sep 11, 2025 3:25 am This is 'grave #1' from Kola's Study?
Yes, Yaimi talked about it in his 2013 report, with similar photos. A quote: "it appears that the grave was not used as a mass grave".
https://codoh.com/library/document/prel ... 3-May2014/

I think Lamprecht said it best, in writing this:
The most striking thing about these reports is that they claim to have excavated and proven the existence of human remains, but do not show us any of them. They do have plenty of color photographs of excavated pits containing no human remains, trinkets, and random rubbish so I guess it's quite apparent that their cameras were functioning quite well.

https://archive.codohforum.com/20230609 ... ml?t=12901
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Did literally nobody archive a copy?

I want to see the report, and so I have been looking, and it appears to be fully scrubbed.

This is nuts.

If there were a single file that would be worth hosting here, it would be this report in my opinion. I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around this.
If I were to guess why no t4 personnel were chosen to perform gassing that had experience with gassing, it would be because THERE WERE NONE.
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Wetzelrad wrote: Thu Sep 11, 2025 5:46 am
Stubble wrote: Thu Sep 11, 2025 3:25 am This is 'grave #1' from Kola's Study?
Yes, Yaimi talked about it in his 2013 report, with similar photos. A quote: "it appears that the grave was not used as a mass grave".
https://codoh.com/library/document/prel ... 3-May2014/

I think Lamprecht said it best, in writing this:
The most striking thing about these reports is that they claim to have excavated and proven the existence of human remains, but do not show us any of them. They do have plenty of color photographs of excavated pits containing no human remains, trinkets, and random rubbish so I guess it's quite apparent that their cameras were functioning quite well.

https://archive.codohforum.com/20230609 ... ml?t=12901
A few quotes from the report;

"In Grave 2, we opened an excavation trench, five meters wide and 15 meters long and
three meters in depth from the western edge to the center of the grave (Fig 12). At a
depth of 3 meters we again encountered ground water. The excavation revealed the
remains of whole and crushed human bones from the surface to a depth of ca. 3
meters (Fig 13). Some of the bones were burnt while others were not and artifacts
were discovered among the remains. Near the center of Grave 2, the rabbinical
supervisor requested that we refrain from excavating due to the presence of greater
quantities of human remains"

"Grave 7...The area was found to be heavily disturbed and contained the remains of human bones, artifacts and ash to
a depth of 0.5 meters."

"Grave 15, was uncovered several meters south of the crematorium (Figs. 2 and 20).
This grave is similar to Grave 1, with a thin 0.10 m. layer of dark soil mixed with
crushed bone fragments discovered at a depth of 2.5 m. and under the layer of sterile
sand described above."

Can you point to any other mass grave site, like that, anywhere in the world? The only equivalents I know of are at TII, Belzec and Chelmno.
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Whether there are burnt remains mixed with sand doesn't matter. What I want to know is when they're going to sift through all this to determine how many burnt remains there are and whether that matches the alleged death toll.
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TlsMS93 wrote: Thu Sep 11, 2025 12:11 pm Whether there are burnt remains mixed with sand doesn't matter. What I want to know is when they're going to sift through all this to determine how many burnt remains there are and whether that matches the alleged death toll.
You know the answer to that. It will not happen. Since you are not convinced by the existing evidence, it is hard to believe you would be convinced by a sifting, especially if it yielded a result you clearly do not want.
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Nessie wrote: Thu Sep 11, 2025 11:42 am Can you point to any other mass grave site, like that, anywhere in the world? The only equivalents I know of are at TII, Belzec and Chelmno.
Belze, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II are not "grave sites."

There needs to be graves in order for a place to be called a gravesite.

Only stupid, reality denying cult members with magic glasses would call Sobibor a "grave site."
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Nessie wrote: Thu Sep 11, 2025 12:46 pm
TlsMS93 wrote: Thu Sep 11, 2025 12:11 pm Whether there are burnt remains mixed with sand doesn't matter. What I want to know is when they're going to sift through all this to determine how many burnt remains there are and whether that matches the alleged death toll.
You know the answer to that. It will not happen. Since you are not convinced by the existing evidence, it is hard to believe you would be convinced by a sifting, especially if it yielded a result you clearly do not want.
The answer of course is there are no "burnt remains mixed with sand." Nor are there any magically disappearing liquid jews in a state of "wax-fat transformation."

Only retarded cult members with magic glasses can see any human remains. But the funny thing is, they can't prove that they exist, because they only exist in the deluded minds of the low IQ cult members.
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Stubble wrote: Thu Sep 11, 2025 11:28 am Did literally nobody archive a copy?

I want to see the report, and so I have been looking, and it appears to be fully scrubbed.

This is nuts.

If there were a single file that would be worth hosting here, it would be this report in my opinion. I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around this.
They will be posted here soon. (A hat tip to Mr. Gerdes for the info.)

Edited to add:


The first one is titled:
Archaeological Research in the Sobibór Camp
A Preliminary Report of the 2012 Excavation Season
And can be viewed here:

http://sobibor.info.pl/wp-content/uploa ... -2012.pdff


The second one is titled:
Preliminary Report of Archaeological Excavations in the Sobibór Extermination Center
November 26, 2012 – December 3, 2012
And can be viewed here:

[url]file:///D:/Sobibr-Autumn-2012.pdf[/url]


The third one is titled:
Preliminary Report of Archaeological Excavations in the Sobibór Extermination Center
November 2012 – May 2013
And can be viewed here:

https://web.archive.org/web/20141019203 ... 2-2013.pdf


The fourth report is titled:
Sobibór Excavations Preliminary Report:
Winter 2013 Season

And can be viewed here:

https://web.archive.org/web/20141019203 ... n-2013.pdf
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I have, no words.

What
The
Fuck!

If I were to guess why no t4 personnel were chosen to perform gassing that had experience with gassing, it would be because THERE WERE NONE.
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Stubble wrote: Thu Sep 11, 2025 1:58 pm I have, no words.

What
The
Fuck!
Stubble, I'm having trouble getting the first two links to the wayback machine to work. But I do have the files and will get them up as soon as I can.

EDITED:

Stubble, if you put - Archaeological Research in the Sobibór Camp A Preliminary Report of the 2012 Excavation Season
Yoram Haimi - into the wayback machine (make sure to use the PDF) the first one will show up.
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Keen wrote: Thu Sep 11, 2025 2:03 pm
Stubble wrote: Thu Sep 11, 2025 1:58 pm I have, no words.

What
The
Fuck!

Stubble, I'm having trouble getting the first two links to the wayback machine to work. But I do have the files and will get them up as soon as I can.
I got the files from all but the first link, and, like I said, I have, no words.

This is FUKT

I am literally standing here, thunderstruck
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Stubble, if you put - Archaeological Research in the Sobibór Camp A Preliminary Report of the 2012 Excavation Season
Yoram Haimi - into the wayback machine (make sure to use the PDF) the first one will show up. But for some reason I just can't get the links to work.
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I absolutely apologize to anyone I have ever insulted for 'The Property Disposal Hypothesis'.

I honestly had NO IDEA. I have ALWAYS assumed there was some grain, some piece, some bit of truth to the lie.

I can not process this. My mind is blown. I have no words.

WTF
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And how do you want to sell us on mass murder? If the bodies turned to ash, then show them. We won't accept Caroline's argument that she didn't find all the bones of a single body and then went around claiming to have found a mass grave.
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Stubble wrote: Thu Sep 11, 2025 2:21 pm I can not process this. My mind is blown. I have no words.
It really shouldn't be that shocking Stubble, when you think about how many decades the jews alleged that the remains of 250,000 jews had been gathered up an put into a "massive mound of ash" - and the only evidence for it was this:

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And now of course the "ash mound" lie has been put down the memory hole, just like Kola's claims of finding thousands of jews in a state of "wax-fat transformation."

The only constant in the ever changing cognative illusion is the fact that there is not and never has been ANY mass graves at Sobibor, except this one:

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