Stubble wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2025 11:14 am
blake121666 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2025 10:47 am
Stubble wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2025 9:07 am
That does not mitigate skin exposure through contact in any way.
They'd be dead.
D e a d dead.
If the historical narrative is to be believed, you must take out your brain and set it on the shelf. The description of gassing would have resulted in the deaths of every single sonderkommando in minutes.
Faurisson way overstates those risks. You should be aware of that.
If one bases his opinions of fraudulence on testimonies - such as you keep appearing to do - then you will of course come to a conclusion that there's alot of fraudulence to be found. The question is whether or not people were mass gassed, though, not JUST are we being BSed.
Hoess is a particularly bad case of fraudulence, unfortunately. The things ascribed to him come across to me as being a slightly changing story based on different ways fraudsters think about what must have been the case - or a better way to defraud. Or it could be that Hoess was out of his mind, I guess. His story is quite incorrect when anyone today tries to square it with facts, though.
Even someone such as Tauber needs to be looked at warily. He and others make alot about stuffing muffles with many corpses at a time when that could ONLY help with incineration times in a "diminishing returns" type way. The time to incinerate a corpse is more controlled by the time to evaporate liquids from that corpse - which would be determined by the surface area exposed to heat. More corpses = less exposed surface area. Tauber also NEVER mentions that a corpse violently combusts in the muffle and its parts drop through the grating it sits on and continues incinerating in the ash bin below. And THAT is how a quicker average incineration is achieved - much more so than stuffing a muffle with corpses. As with Hoess, his testimony comes across as a coached and discussed testimony - even if the coaching and discussing might have been done by only he and 1 or 2 others. The way he exaggerates things suggests that he desires to state higher results than one would actually achieve - based on his misunderstandings of the physics of the situation.
Such is the type handwaving Nessie would like "deniers" to do. But the question remains of what DID happen - regardless of all of the fraudulence you can pick out of testimonies.
If one ONLY makes his decision based on testimonies alone, then the Holocaust is, indeed, a hoax.
I appreciate your vigor, shall we carve this turkey and see if we can get to the facts of the matter then?
Do we agree that the volume of the room is 150m^3 or there about?
No. The LKs used as gas chambers for K1 and K2 were 30m x 7m x (about 2.5m) = 525 m3
Do we assume 4 1kg tins?
Not necessarily. It could have been lower. I think some people think it was 4 200g tins. SOME even say 100g tins - but I think they must be wrong.
Do we assume a 20 minute exposure time for the gypsum?
Definitely not. This is where Hoess is quite wrong. If you are referring to Kula column gassings (which looks to me to be where you're going), I figure the Zyklon to have been exposed for about 30 minutes before being pulled out. But it doesn't matter.
If we do these things, we have to look at how much hydrogen cyanide would release in 20 minutes. I assumed 60°f so consulting the chart that was a 22% release in 20 minutes, 2 hours for full release, referred to the label.
You couldn't be more wrong with that 60F assumption. The room was said to have been jam packed with people for most gassings. The room then would approach body temperature = 98F.
And there is nothing like you say on the label; quit being cute.
At 98F, "full release" as you say would be under 2 minutes.
That put me at roughly 420ppm.
Much much higher than that. 5X-10X higher.
This gas would uniformly condense and have strong adhesion to every exposed surface, because every contact surface is below 80°f. (Ok, almost all, maybe not 100%) this is the nature of the product. It transitions from gas to liquid to enter its active working phase, which is between 24 and 48 hours minimum, maybe longer in cold of damp environments. The directions say to test before entry.
Ridiculously wrong figuring on your part. HCN (which is a GAS) would be absorbed and desorbed by water droplets in the room at a rate dependent upon the temperature. The room was
HOT. It was a damned hot room. You are so so wrong about this.
Quit BSing about "the directions say". I've looked into these matters more than you and know what I'm talking about. You have misunderstood whatever "directions" you think you know (possibly NI-9912?).
So, you vent the room, this would excite some of the liquid hydrogen cyanide and pull it away. You run the fan for 20 minutes.
We are concerned with cyanide GAS here. That hydrocyanic acid forms does not mean that becomes any permanent condition. Zyklon ITSELF is hydrocyanic acid adsorbed onto the substrate (what you are calling "gypsum" here). HCN
GAS evaporates out of the water and is ventilated out of that
hot, hot, hot room.
The level of hydrogen cyanide in the room is still absolutely lethal, what's more, you are going to handle the bodies without skin protection.
No, it has now been vented out of the hot room. Of course SOME would still be in there - but not as much as you (and Faurisson) keep exaggerating. And the bodies will NOT have much hydrocyanic acid on them because those bodies are
HOT. Corpses do not cool off instantly.
No, you are dead. D e a d dead. Absolutely dead.
Am I wrong? Do I misunderstand the product label? Am I misunderstand the toxicity of hydrogen cyanide? What am I missing here? You are over 400ppm hydrogen cyanide. That's death, in minutes.
YES You ARE quite quite wrong with your exaggerations here. The HCN
GAS was vented out of the hot hot hot hot room! You are TOTALLY exaggerating your imaginings of the conditions. The room would cool down during venting but not as quickly as you imagine. Most of the HCN
GAS would evaporate out of the muggy room during ventilation. We can probably reasonably assume that SOME could have been trapped. HCN quickly diffuses though - none would stay locally concentrated - and would not be the type of danger you (and Faurisson) IMAGINE.
