No one to debate? [Rudolf vs Vann on Jake Shields]

[Stubble]

You unironically post this image to support the claim. Look at it. Look at the size of the pyre, the state of it, and the state of the bodies.

Previously when you linked this, you mentioned the twisting of the rails. Now, think critically here, what do you think they would look like with the weight of 2,000-5,000 bodies crushing them as they reached a heat to become malleable? Think they would be reusable? You seriously entertain this?

Look at the bodies, would you define that as complete incineration?

[HansHill]

You think hyperbole etc is evidence to prove lying. Multiple studies of witness memory and recollection explain that is not the case.

No. Overuse of hyperbole, and clear use of Black Propaganda, renders an eyewitness as unreliable.

[HansHill]

You unironically post this image to support the claim. Look at it. Look at the size of the pyre, the state of it, and the state of the bodies.

Previously when you linked this, you mentioned the twisting of the rails. Now, think critically here, what do you think they would look like with the weight of 2,000-5,000 bodies crushing them as they reached a heat to become malleable? Think they would be reusable? You seriously entertain this?

Look at the bodies, would you define that as complete incineration?

This hilariously also torpedos the study he posted earlier showing the flamability effects of a human body in a purpose built cremation oven VS an outdoor pyre. The differences are plain for all to see, and extrapolating one from the other is ridiculous.

How come the female bodies here didn't utterly incinerate the male bodies?

[Stubble]

You unironically post this image to support the claim. Look at it. Look at the size of the pyre, the state of it, and the state of the bodies.

Previously when you linked this, you mentioned the twisting of the rails. Now, think critically here, what do you think they would look like with the weight of 2,000-5,000 bodies crushing them as they reached a heat to become malleable? Think they would be reusable? You seriously entertain this?

Look at the bodies, would you define that as complete incineration?

This hilariously also torpedos the study he posted earlier showing the flamability effects of a human body in a purpose built cremation oven VS an outdoor pyre. The differences are plain for all to see, and extrapolating one from the other is ridiculous.

How come the female bodies here didn't utterly incinerate the male bodies?

Obviously those weren't witches

[Nessie]

You think hyperbole etc is evidence to prove lying. Multiple studies of witness memory and recollection explain that is not the case.

No. Overuse of hyperbole, and clear use of Black Propaganda, renders an eyewitness as unreliable.

Unreliability is not the same as lying. All witnesses are unreliable, to one extent or another. Studies have found that memory fades and gets corrupted and we are poor at estimating times, distances and sizes and the order of events. Revisionist use of such failings as evidence to prove lying is not backed by any study.

What you call "black propaganda" is just the evidence you do not want to believe, about mass gassings and murders. The witnesses corroborate each other and there is other evidence from documents etc to corroborate them.

The least reliable witnesses are not used by historians, for example the hearsay from Elie Wiesel. Wiernik is more reliable, and he is an eyewitness, whose main claims are corroborated by every single SS staff who worked at TII.

[Stubble]

Jog my memory, are those ss staff the ones that had their testicles crushed?

[Nessie]

You unironically post this image to support the claim. Look at it. Look at the size of the pyre, the state of it, and the state of the bodies.

Previously when you linked this, you mentioned the twisting of the rails. Now, think critically here, what do you think they would look like with the weight of 2,000-5,000 bodies crushing them as they reached a heat to become malleable? Think they would be reusable? You seriously entertain this?

From SS officer Heinrich Gley, describing the pyre at Belzec;

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... speak.html

"From time to time the badly twisted rails had to be replaced by new ones."

Pyres getting so hot, metal rails bent, is corroborated evidence.

Look at the bodies, would you define that as complete incineration?

No. There is archaeological evidence that the cremations were not complete and that a rendering machine was used at Belzec to break the remains down further. All the Nazis were doing, was making body counts, identification and establishing cause of death impossible.

There is evidence to prove the mass pyres were possible and happened.

[Stubble]

The Soviet bonecrusher hoax? Seriously?

[Nessie]

Jog my memory, are those ss staff the ones that had their testicles crushed?

Evidence testicle crushing, by the German prosecutors, who conducted the majority of AR camp trials, in West Germany. Gley, who I referenced in my last post, along with the majority of Belzec staff were acquitted. You are just making up allegations.

[Stubble]

Right, because I asked that before you mentioned a specific ss officer.

I'm a clairvoyant, I knew that statement was coming so I asked ahead of time...

[Nessie]

The Soviet bonecrusher hoax? Seriously?

Was any of this from a Soviet report or investigation?

https://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/belzec1/bel100.html

" In their efforts to destroy the evidence, in particular any large bone material, the camp command at Belzec sought outside help from the Janowska concentration camp by borrowing their bone crushing machine and an operator, a Hungarian Jew named Szpilke. The machine resembled a cement mixer with heavy iron balls inside the revolving drum; as the drum revolved at high speed, the metal balls crushed the bone material into small fragments.[75] At the base of the bone mill there was a sieve which acted as a filter for the bone material - the fine dust was expelled while larger pieces of still uncrushed bone were retained inside the drum.

The Jews who operated the bone mill were known as the 'Aschkolonne' (ash brigade). Covered completely in thick white dust they must have been a horrific sight. Belzec's efforts to complete the exhumations and destruction were not devoid of problems and it was some time before they fell in line with other murder sites in the process of digging up corpses, crushing their bones to powde,r and burning the corpses to ashes.[76]"

Paul Blobel, the SS officer credited with much of the work for cremations, was tried by the Americans.

[Nessie]

Right, because I asked that before you mentioned a specific ss officer.

I'm a clairvoyant, I knew that statement was coming so I asked ahead of time...

Please evidence a Nazi who was put on trial for his work at an AR camp, Chelmno or A-B Krema, who had his testicles crushed.

[HansHill]

What you call "black propaganda" is just the evidence you do not want to believe, about mass gassings and murders. The witnesses corroborate each other and there is other evidence from documents etc to corroborate them.

The least reliable witnesses are not used by historians, for example the hearsay from Elie Wiesel. Wiernik is more reliable, and he is an eyewitness, whose main claims are corroborated by every single SS staff who worked at TII.

No. What i call Black Propaganda in the context of Wiernik, is for example, writing a book full of this nonsense, having it published by the JNC, and further used in Orthodox sources and show trials.

[Stubble]

Right, because I asked that before you mentioned a specific ss officer.

I'm a clairvoyant, I knew that statement was coming so I asked ahead of time...

Please evidence a Nazi who was put on trial for his work at an AR camp, Chelmno or A-B Krema, who had his testicles crushed.

I was asking YOU.

again, I'm not a historian, I'm some dude on the internet.

Also, I wasn't saying the hoax was Soviet, I was saying the bonecrusher was. Look into the bonecrusher.

[Nessie]

What you call "black propaganda" is just the evidence you do not want to believe, about mass gassings and murders. The witnesses corroborate each other and there is other evidence from documents etc to corroborate them.

The least reliable witnesses are not used by historians, for example the hearsay from Elie Wiesel. Wiernik is more reliable, and he is an eyewitness, whose main claims are corroborated by every single SS staff who worked at TII.

No. What i call Black Propaganda in the context of Wiernik, is for example, writing a book full of this nonsense, having it published by the JNC, and further used in Orthodox sources and show trials.

Wiernk's book, as one of the earliest testimonies about TII, contained specialist knowledge (information that only someone present could know) of camp staff, layout and events, that have subsequently been corroborated.

If Wiernik wrote a book about hundreds of thousands of people being transited through TII, on their way to be resettled in the east, you would believe it, because that is what you want to believe. Instead, you cannot find one single witness, from any camp, of that happening.

Since Wiernik states what you do not want to accept, you come up with excuses to dismiss him. Your problem is that you cannot come up with any evidence directly pertaining to TII, that disproves him.