Bergen Belsen, Murder mill!

[Fred Ziffel]

From Chuck Yeager the famous US pilot
Perhaps some of those potatoes would also have been going to the camps?

[Joe Splink]

The Brits filmed their liberation of Belson but the vid was shelved for 50 years, you can now see it online at https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/docu ... the-camps/
It documents the typhus epidemic at Belsen. This is a screenshot from the film -

with a picture of Anne Frank on the right. I believe Anne Frank survived Belsen. The older woman in the back is the 'Angel of Belsen', Luba Tryz..... who looked after the Jewish kids from Amsterdam in Belsen. The group became known as the diamond children. You can read more about them here:http://faculty.ce.berkeley.edu/coby/ess ... lchild.htm

Luba and the kids were taken to Amsterdam to meet the Queen. The group held reunions for years. I wrote to the Anne Frank center to inquire about the picture and they claimed to know nothing about it.

Also, a letter written by Kramer to the camps adminstration can be seen here - https://fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/Belsen/Kramer010345.html

In 200x there was Oprah/Elie Wiesel special on Auschwitz, and it of course featured photos of holohoax victims taken from the film https://www.bitchute.com/video/GL0RgQKuImTG/
which the USHMM claims was taken by the Nazis! - https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/ ... erg-trial/
Several of these photos were from Belsen. The true provenance of all the photos is documented in https://www.bitchute.com/video/Ul72dV4SbAoh/

[Nessie]

From Chuck Yeager the famous US pilot
Perhaps some of those potatoes would also have been going to the camps?

I have posted evidence of how the SS stopped certain prisoners from accessing food. Yes, there were scarcities, due to the war, but only one group ended up so starved, that when many of them got access to food, they died, as their bodies were not used to any nutrition at all, what is called re-feeding syndrome. Jews were singled out to get virtually no food, when there were shortages. Others may have gone hungry, but they did not starve. That is not the fault of Allied bombers.

[Stubble]

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The nazis were just as responsible for the deaths at Bergen Belsen as they were for the deaths at Nordhausen after all. We've all seen the pictures! You can't just ignore the pictures of dead bodies in orderly rows of victims of nazi extermination!

(Said in jest of course, as with Nordhausen and with Belsen, the deaths were caused by allied bombing. At Nordhausen, directly. At Belsen directly and indirectly. Directly by destroying the water plant. Indirectly because of the effects of intense saturation bombing and strafing activity on logistics)

Do you really not hold the Nazis responsible at all? Was it all the Allied fault?

Dude, you call the salvation marches 'death marches'. You consider them forced.

Something to consider, the marches were requested by the western allies. Who then bombed Germany mercilessly and used these pictures to assist in framing them for genocide.

Do you hold the Germans responsible for allied saturation bombing? Oh yea, you do. You also think that the evil Germans didn't feed the jews in Belsen, because fuck jews or whatever. That's not what happened at all. But you don't care, and you are going to keep saying it.

This, specifically, was not a preplanned genocide of jewish people in a systematized campaign. It was a tragic but wholly predictable outcome of allied policy.

[Stubble]

The Brits filmed their liberation of Belson but the vid was shelved for 50 years, you can now see it online at https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/docu ... the-camps/
It documents the typhus epidemic at Belsen. This is a screenshot from the film -

with a picture of Anne Frank on the right. I believe Anne Frank survived Belsen. The older woman in the back is the 'Angel of Belsen', Luba Tryz..... who looked after the Jewish kids from Amsterdam in Belsen. The group became known as the diamond children. You can read more about them here:http://faculty.ce.berkeley.edu/coby/ess ... lchild.htm

Luba and the kids were taken to Amsterdam to meet the Queen. The group held reunions for years. I wrote to the Anne Frank center to inquire about the picture and they claimed to know nothing about it.

Also, a letter written by Kramer to the camps adminstration can be seen here - https://fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/Belsen/Kramer010345.html

In 200x there was Oprah/Elie Wiesel special on Auschwitz, and it of course featured photos of holohoax victims taken from the film https://www.bitchute.com/video/GL0RgQKuImTG/
which the USHMM claims was taken by the Nazis! - https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/ ... erg-trial/
Several of these photos were from Belsen. The true provenance of all the photos is documented in https://www.bitchute.com/video/Ul72dV4SbAoh/

If Anne Frank died under allied care of typhus and this really is her standing tall at liberation that is an irony that is hard to put into words.

[Nessie]

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The nazis were just as responsible for the deaths at Bergen Belsen as they were for the deaths at Nordhausen after all. We've all seen the pictures! You can't just ignore the pictures of dead bodies in orderly rows of victims of nazi extermination!

(Said in jest of course, as with Nordhausen and with Belsen, the deaths were caused by allied bombing. At Nordhausen, directly. At Belsen directly and indirectly. Directly by destroying the water plant. Indirectly because of the effects of intense saturation bombing and strafing activity on logistics)

Do you really not hold the Nazis responsible at all? Was it all the Allied fault?

Dude, you call the salvation marches 'death marches'. You consider them forced.

Something to consider, the marches were requested by the western allies. Who then bombed Germany mercilessly and used these pictures to assist in framing them for genocide.

Please provide evidence that the Nazis did as they were told by the Allies and force marched prisoners west.

Do you hold the Germans responsible for allied saturation bombing? Oh yea, you do.

Lie. The Allies were responsible for their bombing.

You also think that the evil Germans didn't feed the jews in Belsen, because fuck jews or whatever. That's not what happened at all. But you don't care, and you are going to keep saying it.

I have produced evidence it happened, from a witness who saw a Jew being refused food, to the condition Jews were in when the camp was liberated.

This, specifically, was not a preplanned genocide of jewish people in a systematized campaign. It was a tragic but wholly predictable outcome of allied policy.

It was a wholly predictable outcome, as the Nazis treated the Jews as the most disposable, least worthy of life prisoners.

[Stubble]

Deserves it's own thread.

https://codoh.com/library/document/death-marches/

Supporting documentation inside the 'refugees' microfilm collection, if you can ever be bothered to look.

Also, the kapos starved the jews, not 'Ze Germans'.

You did link some literal propaganda earlier though, I'll give you that.

I'd ask you to read up on the subject, but, you won't.

[Nessie]

Deserves it's own thread.

https://codoh.com/library/document/death-marches/

Supporting documentation inside the 'refugees' microfilm collection, if you can ever be bothered to look.

Quote the part where the Allies ordered the Nazis to force march prisoners west.

Also, the koppos starved the jews, not 'Ze Germans'.

I linked to evidence of an SS guard not allowing a prisoner to get food.

You did link some literal propaganda earlier though, I'll give you that.

I'd ask you to read up on the subject, but, you won't.

I cannot read what you refuse to provide, because you cannot evidence your claims. I am still waiting for evidence of a bomb that stopped a supply getting to B-B, that directly caused Jewish prisoners, who were already starving, to get even less food.

[borjastick]

It was a wholly predictable outcome, as the Nazis treated the Jews as the most disposable, least worthy of life prisoners.

Ooooh shall we talk about Gaza now please? The bullied child grew up to be a complete thug and a bully.

[Nazgul]

I am still waiting for evidence of a bomb that stopped a supply getting to B-B, that directly caused Jewish prisoners, who were already starving, to get even less food.

No one cares what you are waiting for. It was a rout of humanity, the destruction of a civilisation. You have little concepts of the distribution of goods, especially perishable when there are no longer people or resources to distribute what did not exist. This is the horror of war. It is an ancient tactic of the enemy to starve the other. You claim to be a copper, (doubt it) have little military knowledge, the world you present from the inner part of your mind has little bearing on reality, past or present.

[Stubble]

>me: provides links and video interviews
>Nessie: 'I can't read what you don't provide, and I'm too stupid to use my browser, don't imply my government is suppressing information when it is just that I'm retarded'.
>me: provides articles outlining the videos with the videos embedded in them
>Nessie: 'I still can't read'.

>me: /facepalm

[Nessie]

>me: provides links and video interviews
>Nessie: 'I can't read what you don't provide, and I'm too stupid to use my browser, don't imply my government is suppressing information when it is just that I'm retarded'.
>me: provides articles outlining the videos with the videos embedded in them
>Nessie: 'I still can't read'.

>me: /facepalm

Multiple links to YouTube videos, without any specific references to evidence, is the act of someone who does not know how to gather and present evidence. Can you cite a specific document or witness statement, in one of the videos, of a bomb that was dropped from a plane, that hit or delayed a supply to B-B, that was the direct cause of deaths at the camp? The answer is, no. All you have is, there was bombing in the area, supplies were short, people died in the camp, therefore they died from the bombing. That is not logical, it is a non-sequitur, as the conclusion is not supported by the premise. You have a correlated link, not a causal one.

[Stubble]

The level of dishonesty in your remark here is noted as is your obfuscation of the issues and your choice to ignore testimony counter to your narrative.

Talk about non sequitur...

[Nessie]

The level of dishonesty in your remark here is noted as is your obfuscation of the issues and your choice to ignore testimony counter to your narrative.

Talk about non sequitur...

You have not explained, why, when there were general shortages of food, only the Jewish prisoners starved to death, or died from re-feeding syndrome, and no other prisoners or camp staff, and how that was the fault of Allied bombers.

I have presented evidence of camp guards keeping food from Jewish prisoners. How is that the fault of Allied bombers?

[Stubble]

Yes I have, your ignorance and your refusal to look at testimony do not make that any less true.

Again, 'Ze Germans' didn't distribute the food, and , for fear of contracting typhus, had very minimal contact with internees.

Kapos distributed food, and they starved jews.

Not, 'Ze Germans'.

I have a series of infographics I got from Kazan I'd like to share here, but, unfortunately, many of them are too large and I don't have a 3rd party hosting site to take them to so I can link them.

Rest assured, I will get this slight snag figured out and these various articles, memoranda and testimonies will go up here. It is going to take me a minute.

If anyone would like to help me out here, I could send them the infographics and they could put them up and cross link them to the thread as image URLs or some such. I'd greatly appreciate it.