Nessie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 12:19 pm
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You have a far bigger problem than me. I can evidence camp and ghetto populations and date they opened and closed down, so I can evidence by the autumn of 1944 there were no ghettos left, many camps had closed and the remaining camps had declining populations, whereas you cannot evidence millions of Jews still alive in the camps and ghettos, or millions dead from reasons other than murder.
You first need to prove that the amount of ash in the Reinhardt fields totals 1.7 million people. Since no one has done this, the conviction and historiography are purely based on testimonies and circumstantial evidence that customary law allows.
It is your opinion that the evidence of huge areas of buried cremated remains is not enough for well over a million people.
If this event were here in Brazil or where “positive law” prevails, none of this would be established, since it is necessary to make the evidence unequivocal. Here, what is written is valid and not what the courts understand from the evidence, although this is changing here.
You cannot evidence millions of Jews who had been imprisoned by the Nazis, still alive in camps and ghettos in 1944.
Nessie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 12:19 pm
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You have a far bigger problem than me. I can evidence camp and ghetto populations and date they opened and closed down, so I can evidence by the autumn of 1944 there were no ghettos left, many camps had closed and the remaining camps had declining populations, whereas you cannot evidence millions of Jews still alive in the camps and ghettos, or millions dead from reasons other than murder.
You first need to prove that the amount of ash in the Reinhardt fields totals 1.7 million people. Since no one has done this, the conviction and historiography are purely based on testimonies and circumstantial evidence that customary law allows.
It is your opinion that the evidence of huge areas of buried cremated remains is not enough for well over a million people.
If this event were here in Brazil or where “positive law” prevails, none of this would be established, since it is necessary to make the evidence unequivocal. Here, what is written is valid and not what the courts understand from the evidence, although this is changing here.
You cannot evidence millions of Jews who had been imprisoned by the Nazis, still alive in camps and ghettos in 1944.
The area is huge, but no one has ever measured the amount of ashes, so you can't go around claiming that almost two million people were cremated there. The day they determine the amount of ashes and determine that they correspond to 2 million victims, then yes, that is if they can get rid of the wood ashes that are certainly mixed in.
Before that, it is not something that satisfies me to have large areas of disturbed soil, and it should not satisfy anyone sensible enough to accuse a people of something as vile as genocide, especially since local residents have been rummaging through these areas for years in search of jewels.
Stubble wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:31 pm
Sure, they can say it. They can't prove fuel for it though, and that's where the exterminationists lose me.
There is no fuel for the open air cremation of almost 2,000,000 people.
How much fuel would be needed on a monthly basis to supply camps holding millions of resettled Jews? How much food?
Why are you not concerned about this, but Reinhardt deliveries (when actual evidence of a cover up exists for this)?
This is the basic hypocrisy I'm pointing to, and even after I mention it the thread remains focused on the orthodox story rather than what revisionists are asserting.
Stubble wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:31 pm
Sure, they can say it. They can't prove fuel for it though, and that's where the exterminationists lose me.
There is no fuel for the open air cremation of almost 2,000,000 people.
How much fuel would be needed on a monthly basis to supply camps holding millions of resettled Jews? How much food?
Why are you not concerned about this, but Reinhardt deliveries (when actual evidence of a cover up exists for this)?
This is the basic hypocrisy I'm pointing to, and even after I mention it the thread remains focused on the orthodox story rather than what revisionists are asserting.
Numar Patru wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:47 pm
How much wood is needed per body? Google tells me 650 kg. Does that seem right to you?
There are whole other threads for this, whole other threads.
I mentioned it here only because the fuel problem remains unanswered there.
were to guess why no t4 personnel were chosen to perform gassing that had experience with gassing, it would be because THERE WERE NONE.
You first need to prove that the amount of ash in the Reinhardt fields totals 1.7 million people. Since no one has done this, the conviction and historiography are purely based on testimonies and circumstantial evidence that customary law allows.
It is your opinion that the evidence of huge areas of buried cremated remains is not enough for well over a million people.
If this event were here in Brazil or where “positive law” prevails, none of this would be established, since it is necessary to make the evidence unequivocal. Here, what is written is valid and not what the courts understand from the evidence, although this is changing here.
You cannot evidence millions of Jews who had been imprisoned by the Nazis, still alive in camps and ghettos in 1944.
The area is huge, but no one has ever measured the amount of ashes, so you can't go around claiming that almost two million people were cremated there. The day they determine the amount of ashes and determine that they correspond to 2 million victims, then yes, that is if they can get rid of the wood ashes that are certainly mixed in.
Before that, it is not something that satisfies me to have large areas of disturbed soil, and it should not satisfy anyone sensible enough to accuse a people of something as vile as genocide, especially since local residents have been rummaging through these areas for years in search of jewels.
You ignore all the evidence for how many are buried at the locations and make the unreasonable demand of tons of ground be dug up sieved, cremains separated, weighed and then you will accept the result....supposedly. You have a long history of denying evidence you do not want to believe, so I doubt you would accept any result that corresponds to hundreds of thousands of people.
As well as ignoring evidence, you happily ignore a lack of evidence. It is perfectly reasonable for you to gather evidence of millions of Jews still alive in the camps and ghettos in 1944. If that had happened, it would leave behind a lot of evidence to gather, as maintaining such a massive population of prisoners would require a lot of coordination and resources.
You know that there is no such evidence for you to gather, hence your unreasonable, impractical and frankly disrespectful demands for exhumation.
Stubble wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:31 pm
Sure, they can say it. They can't prove fuel for it though, and that's where the exterminationists lose me.
There is no fuel for the open air cremation of almost 2,000,000 people.
Poland lacked wood? Really! Let me see the evidence for that. Show me wood was so rare in Poland, that there was no way the Nazis could not get it delivered to three camps, that had even train stations inside them.
"I went to Sobibor together with Lorenz Hackenholt, who was at that time in Treblinka. First of all, I went with Hackenholt to a sawmill near Warsaw. There Hackenholt ordered a big consignment of wood for reconstruction in Sobibor."
If they could get wood delivered for construction, they could also get firewood delivered. You are being ridiculous to suggest otherwise.
Nessie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 7:47 am
You know that there is no such evidence for you to gather, hence your unreasonable, impractical and frankly disrespectful demands for exhumation.
A crime scene investigation, the biggest alleged crime in the history of humanity yet the normal police investigative protocols are ignored. How convenient. How do you know, there is no such evidence if it is not allowed to be carried out. This one presumes there is no evidence to be found and so thinks it should not be investigated. The police and "pretend cop" Ostrich moment of ineptitude. As Been There once said, "God Help the citizens of Scotland with the lack of quality this ex "pretend" policeman possesses. With these qualities any government would disband that law enforcement agency.
BTW freshly cut wood is not firewood: it takes a year at least for wood to burn properly after being felled. It begs the question of who would fell the wood, this is a task performed by young men, most who were incarcerated or fighting. Most of the labour was put into survival not burning Jews.
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Nessie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 7:47 am
You know that there is no such evidence for you to gather, hence your unreasonable, impractical and frankly disrespectful demands for exhumation.
A crime scene investigation, the biggest alleged crime in the history of humanity yet the normal police investigative protocols are ignored. How convenient. How do you know, there is no such evidence if it is not allowed to be carried out. This one presumes there is no evidence to be found and so thinks it should not be investigated. The police and "pretend cop" Ostrich moment of ineptitude. As Been There once said, "God Help the citizens of Scotland with the lack of quality this ex "pretend" policeman possesses. With these qualities any government would disband that law enforcement agency.
What, according to you, is the normal police protocol for investigating a report of buried remains, that has supposedly been ignored?
BTW freshly cut wood is not firewood: it takes a year at least for wood to burn properly after being felled. It begs the question of who would fell the wood, this is a task performed by young men, most who were incarcerated or fighting. Most of the labour was put into survival not burning Jews.
What is your evidence that Poland had no supplies of dried wood for firewood?
You come over as rather arrogant, with your assumptions the police and the Polish are incompetent and that you know better.
Stubble wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:31 pm
Sure, they can say it. They can't prove fuel for it though, and that's where the exterminationists lose me.
There is no fuel for the open air cremation of almost 2,000,000 people.
Poland lacked wood? Really! Let me see the evidence for that. Show me wood was so rare in Poland, that there was no way the Nazis could not get it delivered to three camps, that had even train stations inside them.
"I went to Sobibor together with Lorenz Hackenholt, who was at that time in Treblinka. First of all, I went with Hackenholt to a sawmill near Warsaw. There Hackenholt ordered a big consignment of wood for reconstruction in Sobibor."
If they could get wood delivered for construction, they could also get firewood delivered. You are being ridiculous to suggest otherwise.
Again, there are other threads for this. I will offer a short rebuttal here though as I simply can't let this hand waving stand uncontested.
You obviously fail to understand the volume necessary for the task. This type of deforestation had it occurred would be visible from space. We are talking a herculean task tantamount to the great wall.
were to guess why no t4 personnel were chosen to perform gassing that had experience with gassing, it would be because THERE WERE NONE.
It is your opinion that the evidence of huge areas of buried cremated remains is not enough for well over a million people.
You cannot evidence millions of Jews who had been imprisoned by the Nazis, still alive in camps and ghettos in 1944.
The area is huge, but no one has ever measured the amount of ashes, so you can't go around claiming that almost two million people were cremated there. The day they determine the amount of ashes and determine that they correspond to 2 million victims, then yes, that is if they can get rid of the wood ashes that are certainly mixed in.
Before that, it is not something that satisfies me to have large areas of disturbed soil, and it should not satisfy anyone sensible enough to accuse a people of something as vile as genocide, especially since local residents have been rummaging through these areas for years in search of jewels.
You ignore all the evidence for how many are buried at the locations and make the unreasonable demand of tons of ground be dug up sieved, cremains separated, weighed and then you will accept the result....supposedly. You have a long history of denying evidence you do not want to believe, so I doubt you would accept any result that corresponds to hundreds of thousands of people.
As well as ignoring evidence, you happily ignore a lack of evidence. It is perfectly reasonable for you to gather evidence of millions of Jews still alive in the camps and ghettos in 1944. If that had happened, it would leave behind a lot of evidence to gather, as maintaining such a massive population of prisoners would require a lot of coordination and resources.
You know that there is no such evidence for you to gather, hence your unreasonable, impractical and frankly disrespectful demands for exhumation.
My claim is absolutely fair. If I accused you of killing a thousand people, how would you respond? Where are the bodies, where is the autopsy, where was the crime scene, was it contaminated, are there any photographs, are the witnesses trustworthy and have no conflict of interest with me, is there evidence that I erased evidence, bribed people involved?
Now transfer that to the Holocaust and you will simply be content with your biased eyewitness accounts, confessions under torture, show trials and ad hoc, death tolls established by a propaganda source.
Stubble wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:31 pm
Sure, they can say it. They can't prove fuel for it though, and that's where the exterminationists lose me.
There is no fuel for the open air cremation of almost 2,000,000 people.
Poland lacked wood? Really! Let me see the evidence for that. Show me wood was so rare in Poland, that there was no way the Nazis could not get it delivered to three camps, that had even train stations inside them.
"I went to Sobibor together with Lorenz Hackenholt, who was at that time in Treblinka. First of all, I went with Hackenholt to a sawmill near Warsaw. There Hackenholt ordered a big consignment of wood for reconstruction in Sobibor."
If they could get wood delivered for construction, they could also get firewood delivered. You are being ridiculous to suggest otherwise.
No, German-occupied Europe had no forests, Europe has always been poor in them. Germany was short of 6 million tons of timber per year, sometimes using potato husks as a substitute for much lower quality paper. The forest cover in Poland during the war was a mere 20% of the territory and this was covered more by bush than by raw wood.
The only reliable sources of timber were Sweden and Finland, this was even more complicated during the war.
So to claim that Germany was sacrificing its survival in the midst of a massive war to get rid of slaughtered Jews is fantasy.
Did the creators of the Holocaust narrative really believe that the absurdity of their claims would never make people ask themselves basic questions like how much wood was needed for the alleged cremation? Even though Germany had considerable coal reserves, production was not that satisfactory.
