Real World Math vs Fantasy Land Math

[TlsMS93]

The majority of the narratives come from the SS who worked there, Germans and Ukrainians. All the witnesses are consistent about the main events and process inside the camp. Mass transports arrive, people undress and their property stolen, they are killed inside chambers, there are mass graves and pyres.

We know about these “confession” methods. In fact, don’t you find it strange that confessions are made when all the defendants in Nuremberg declared themselves innocent? In subsequent trials in Germany, they realized that this would not help them and opted for Speer’s tactic to reduce their sentences.

The Nuremberg trials were war crime trials of senior Nazis, who had no direct links to the death camps and could claim no knowledge or responsibility. The camp staff trials were of the Nazis who were directly responsible for the deaths.

It is very strange that you do not find it odd that not one single Nazi claimed to know what really happened and where the millions of Jews they had arrested and supposedly had not killed, were in 1944-5.

And why should I believe in Nazi confessions? Those who claimed to be innocent say that they were proven wrong, so what?

Their confessions are corroborated and there is no evidence anything else happened.

The narrative that the SS told was preconceived by the Allies, or is it true or false that the narrative of undressing, receiving a towel and soap under the pretext of taking a shower to go to the Dachau gas chamber did not happen? Do you believe that today?

That just proves the Allies investigated everything, to ensure claims were correct.

In common knowledge crimes, it was unacceptable to claim innocence. Most of them were committed by Speer's tactics. I did it on orders from above. I take responsibility for my line of action in commanding these common knowledge crimes. None of them testified as if they knew everything about the event, which is why their testimonies are contradictory.

Corroborated by what? Don't talk as if the evidence were overwhelming.

And why did they lie in Dachau?

[Nessie]

We know about these “confession” methods. In fact, don’t you find it strange that confessions are made when all the defendants in Nuremberg declared themselves innocent? In subsequent trials in Germany, they realized that this would not help them and opted for Speer’s tactic to reduce their sentences.

The Nuremberg trials were war crime trials of senior Nazis, who had no direct links to the death camps and could claim no knowledge or responsibility. The camp staff trials were of the Nazis who were directly responsible for the deaths.

It is very strange that you do not find it odd that not one single Nazi claimed to know what really happened and where the millions of Jews they had arrested and supposedly had not killed, were in 1944-5.

And why should I believe in Nazi confessions? Those who claimed to be innocent say that they were proven wrong, so what?

Their confessions are corroborated and there is no evidence anything else happened.

The narrative that the SS told was preconceived by the Allies, or is it true or false that the narrative of undressing, receiving a towel and soap under the pretext of taking a shower to go to the Dachau gas chamber did not happen? Do you believe that today?

That just proves the Allies investigated everything, to ensure claims were correct.

In common knowledge crimes, it was unacceptable to claim innocence. Most of them were committed by Speer's tactics. I did it on orders from above. I take responsibility for my line of action in commanding these common knowledge crimes. None of them testified as if they knew everything about the event, which is why their testimonies are contradictory.

When the accused admits to the crime, the crime does not need to be proved. The Nazis admitted to the crime, because of the overwhelming evidence they mass murdered people.

Corroborated by what? Don't talk as if the evidence were overwhelming.

Revisionists lie and deceive, mostly to themselves, that there is a lack of evidence for mass gassings. They do that to deflect from the complete lack of evidence of millions of Jews alive in 1945.

And why did they lie in Dachau?

It is hardly a shock that some of the supposed evidence about gas chambers turned out to be atrocity rumours. The Final Solution covered many countries, over a number of years and hundreds of sites and millions of people.

[TlsMS93]

The Nuremberg trials were war crime trials of senior Nazis, who had no direct links to the death camps and could claim no knowledge or responsibility. The camp staff trials were of the Nazis who were directly responsible for the deaths.

It is very strange that you do not find it odd that not one single Nazi claimed to know what really happened and where the millions of Jews they had arrested and supposedly had not killed, were in 1944-5.



Their confessions are corroborated and there is no evidence anything else happened.



That just proves the Allies investigated everything, to ensure claims were correct.

In common knowledge crimes, it was unacceptable to claim innocence. Most of them were committed by Speer's tactics. I did it on orders from above. I take responsibility for my line of action in commanding these common knowledge crimes. None of them testified as if they knew everything about the event, which is why their testimonies are contradictory.

When the accused admits to the crime, the crime does not need to be proved. The Nazis admitted to the crime, because of the overwhelming evidence they mass murdered people.

Corroborated by what? Don't talk as if the evidence were overwhelming.

Revisionists lie and deceive, mostly to themselves, that there is a lack of evidence for mass gassings. They do that to deflect from the complete lack of evidence of millions of Jews alive in 1945.

And why did they lie in Dachau?

It is hardly a shock that some of the supposed evidence about gas chambers turned out to be atrocity rumours. The Final Solution covered many countries, over a number of years and hundreds of sites and millions of people.

If a simple confession were enough, there would be no need for a trial. What you claim is absurd. Nowadays, there are mechanisms to reward those involved in a crime, where confessing their participation can help to reduce the sentence if they inform on others involved. In the past, there would have been something similar. To think that it was only Hoss who went through this is nonsense. Many did not need to be physically tortured, but they were psychologically tortured because if they did not cooperate, they would have been handed over to the Poles or Soviets or even sent away claiming they had escaped, and no one would have done anything.

You are clinging to where they went if they were not killed. Where are the 9 million Germans from the 1946 census to the 1950 census? In 1946, there were 65 million Germans, in 1950 they only found 68 million, even with the return of 2.6 million prisoners of war, 6 million expelled from Central and Eastern Europe, almost 1 million more births than deaths in that period. There would have been 74 million in 1950, not 68 million.

Are you going to claim that the Soviets distorted the numbers during their occupation?

The point is that a propaganda fraud in Dachau perpetuated this narrative that they would undress, receive a towel and soap and go meekly to the gas chambers, packed with people where it was known that any decent bath would be impossible and there was never any revolt in what would have been certain death.

[Nessie]

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It is hardly a shock that some of the supposed evidence about gas chambers turned out to be atrocity rumours. The Final Solution covered many countries, over a number of years and hundreds of sites and millions of people.

If a simple confession were enough, there would be no need for a trial. What you claim is absurd. Nowadays, there are mechanisms to reward those involved in a crime, where confessing their participation can help to reduce the sentence if they inform on others involved. In the past, there would have been something similar. To think that it was only Hoss who went through this is nonsense. Many did not need to be physically tortured, but they were psychologically tortured because if they did not cooperate, they would have been handed over to the Poles or Soviets or even sent away claiming they had escaped, and no one would have done anything.

It is only ever Hoess who is used as evidence of coercion. Everything else is merely suggested. Suggestion is biased opinion and constitutes that vast majority of revisionism, which repeatedly fails at the basic task of any investigation, the gathering of evidence.

You are clinging to where they went if they were not killed.

You are desperately hand waving away the millions of missing Jews. That so many went missing was a major part of the evidence against the Nazis, who went asked to explain what had happened to so many people, either said they did not know why they went missing, or that they had been killed.

Where are the 9 million Germans from the 1946 census to the 1950 census? In 1946, there were 65 million Germans, in 1950 they only found 68 million, even with the return of 2.6 million prisoners of war, 6 million expelled from Central and Eastern Europe, almost 1 million more births than deaths in that period. There would have been 74 million in 1950, not 68 million.

That is not relevant. You are trying to extrapolate, rather than produce contemporaneous evidence. Please evidence the Jewish populations in Nazis captivity 1939 to 1945. Nazi documents record huge drops in the Jewish population. The last of the ghettos at Lodz closed in August 1944. A-B's population was larger in 1943 than it was in 1944. The camps and ghettos found by the Soviets were mostly empty. The Nazis fled with most of their prisoners to be liberated by the Western Allies, but the largest liberation was at Bergen-Belsen, c60,000 prisoners, not all of whom were Jewish. Villages, towns and cities all over Europe reported few, if any of their Jewish citizens returning home.

Faced with that volume of evidence, and nothing from the Nazis to evidence something other than mass murder has happened, you still deny.

Are you going to claim that the Soviets distorted the numbers during their occupation?

The point is that a propaganda fraud in Dachau perpetuated this narrative that they would undress, receive a towel and soap and go meekly to the gas chambers, packed with people where it was known that any decent bath would be impossible and there was never any revolt in what would have been certain death.

You cherry-pick the instances where there were unreliable figures, or claims made, to suggest the entirety is unreliable. Yet again, you fail at the basic task of investigation and cannot evidence your claims.