Exterminationist tactics - a brief analysis

[HansHill]

Merry Christmas to all in the Revisionist community and Happy Hanukkah to our Exterminationist friends!

[Hektor]

Merry Christmas to all in the Revisionist community and Happy Hanukkah to our Exterminationist friends!

Excellent. I second that.....

[Nessie]

A pile of shaved hair and bins of used footwear are not proof of homicidal gassings,

No historian claims it is. One piece of evidence rarely proves anything.

... yet, this is shown to a great number of people as evidence.

Historians gather and show all the different evidence, which together, proves homicidal gassings.

With the lack of direct evidence of homicidal gassing, I find the claim dubious at best.

With every single witness who worked inside an A-B Krema stating it was used for undressing, gassing and cremations, corroborated by the documents recording the modification of the Kremas for those purposes, further corroborated by the supporting evidence such as shaved hair and piles of footwear, along with motive and conduct after the crime, I find the claims to be proven.

When we get to talking about the 'holocaust of bullets', it would behoove me to point out that anti terrorist operations and pogroms are also not evidence of a campaign to exterminate a group of people.

Witnesses, documents and photographs to mass shooting of entire populations, along with the circumstantial evidence of the role of the Einstagruppen and Nazi supporters, proves the actions to make the east "Jew free".

The 'evidence' for a systematic state sponsored mass killing program to exterminate the jewish people is some guys basically playing jenga with words and a bunch of propaganda presented as fact.

That is a good description for the "evidence" presented by revisionists for the alleged systematic state sponsored resettlement programme, where millions of western Jews were supposedly being resettled in countries where mass shootings operations to rid those places of Jews, were being conducted.

I will look further into belzec and into the pripyat marshes.

From where I'm standing right now, it doesn't look like the narrative I have been presented. It simply doesn't.

You will find no evidence of resettlement from Belzec to any other place. But that will not deter your desire to believe it happened.

As horrible as the entire situation was should be bad enough, but, to misframe everything and to present it as it is put up currently is tantamount to blood libel against Germany. The difference is, Sait Simon of Trent likely earned his veneration...

You reveal your motive for wanting the Holocaust to have not happened.

[Stubble]

'Witnesses, documents and photographs to mass shooting of entire populations, along with the circumstantial evidence of the role of the Einstagruppen and Nazi supporters, proves the actions to make the east "Jew free".'

Are you going to seriously stand there and tell me there was no anti terrorist campaign by the German Authorities, that there was no rear line terrorism and that the Germans slaughtered innocent people en masse? You actually believe this. You also believe this was exclusive to the eastern front.

When I look at the situation in Romania for example, the picture painted by the actions of the German Authorities differs wildly from the behavior that you expect me to believe took place.

'You will find no evidence of resettlement from Belzec to any other place. But that will not deter your desire to believe it happened.'

What ought, what should and what I would want are not always congruent. I do not reject reality to fit my world view. So far, reading about belzec, every propaganda trope is there, complete with the quick lime in the train cars, rivers of blood, ditches miles long full of dead bodies, self cremating corpses, the whole 9 yards. The same tired lies I thought were dismissed as propaganda decades ago, along with the electric conveyor belts of death, pop back up, bam, all together, right there.

If I find that the truth is that a great many people met their fate there, I will pray, reflect and apologize. I will also make it my lifes work to tell the truth of what happened, for it is the overflow of propaganda presented as fact that has put into my mind doubt, which as grown the more patent lies and misrepresentations I have found I have been exposed to.

'You reveal your motive for wanting the Holocaust to have not happened.'

I am motivated by the truth. That you can swallow tales of inhumanity written by propagandists as facts doesn't mean I should as well. I do not take these accusations against my fellow man lightly, and I will have to see hard evidence, not the circumstantial. Such is my framework.

That people could torture and abuse an innocent child is abhorrent and it boggles the mind, same with the accusation that men could round up and execute innocent people. People without blood on their hands. You sell it, I am not buying thank you. There are a lot of parallels between the two situations.

I understand that the fire bombers and the dam busters did this, but, they were detached enough not to see what they were doing, to understand the impact of their actions. I'm not excusing the wholesale slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, I'm not justifying it, I'm explaining it. It took me long and hard years to accept that my forefathers had done this, rained down on innocent people the wages of war and made them pay a debt not owed by any innocent person in full, with interest.

Mothers holding children as they both perished, fully engulfed in flame. At the end of the war. In an absolute horror.

Japanese fathers, employed by Kawasaki, eviscerated from the face of the earth in a mere fraction of a second. Japanese mothers tending newly born children, fully unaware of events about to unfold vanished in a flash of light and a puff of smoke in an instant.

I have a hard time reconciling the horror of my fellow man.

If I find this accusation against Germany to be the truth, I will mark it in the rolodex. It does not seem to reflect the character and will of the German people or the professionalism and commitment to Honor, Duty and Order upheld by the German Military.

During WW1 these good and upright people, of strong moral fortitude had been cleared of such accusations. Wartime propaganda, making these people out to be barbarians, inhuman, unholy vicious and devious. The enemy of life itself.

This narrative had been thrown against the German people just a few short years before, and had been retracted, but, when the smoke of ww2 lifted, the wartime lies, they persisted and continue to persist here and now 80 years later.

Yes, I want the truth to be told. I want people to know and understand the truth. Horrifying as it may be, or mundane as it may be, I do not care. I have no chips on either side of the pile. My great fire in this debate does not come from a place of hate or contempt, it comes from a desire for truth, unvarnished, simple and concise. My anger comes from the lies, both their number and depth. I want the truth, I seek the truth, I will spread the truth.

Strip all the lies away from the holocaust, and tell the truth, and I will gladly accept whatever the facts are that remain.

[TlsMS93]

'Witnesses, documents and photographs to mass shooting of entire populations, along with the circumstantial evidence of the role of the Einstagruppen and Nazi supporters, proves the actions to make the east "Jew free".'

Are you going to seriously stand there and tell me there was no anti terrorist campaign by the German Authorities, that there was no rear line terrorism and that the Germans slaughtered innocent people en masse? You actually believe this. You also believe this was exclusive to the eastern front.

When I look at the situation in Romania for example, the picture painted by the actions of the German Authorities differs wildly from the behavior that you expect me to believe took place.

'You will find no evidence of resettlement from Belzec to any other place. But that will not deter your desire to believe it happened.'

What ought, what should and what I would want are not always congruent. I do not reject reality to fit my world view. So far, reading about belzec, every propaganda trope is there, complete with the quick lime in the train cars, rivers of blood, ditches miles long full of dead bodies, self cremating corpses, the whole 9 yards. The same tired lies I thought were dismissed as propaganda decades ago, along with the electric conveyor belts of death, pop back up, bam, all together, right there.

If I find that the truth is that a great many people met their fate there, I will pray, reflect and apologize. I will also make it my lifes work to tell the truth of what happened, for it is the overflow of propaganda presented as fact that has put into my mind doubt, which as grown the more patent lies and misrepresentations I have found I have been exposed to.

'You reveal your motive for wanting the Holocaust to have not happened.'

I am motivated by the truth. That you can swallow tales of inhumanity written by propagandists as facts doesn't mean I should as well. I do not take these accusations against my fellow man lightly, and I will have to see hard evidence, not the circumstantial. Such is my framework.

That people could torture and abuse an innocent child is abhorrent and it boggles the mind, same with the accusation that men could round up and execute innocent people. People without blood on their hands. You sell it, I am not buying thank you. There are a lot of parallels between the two situations.

I understand that the fire bombers and the dam busters did this, but, they were detached enough not to see what they were doing, to understand the impact of their actions. I'm not excusing the wholesale slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, I'm not justifying it, I'm explaining it. It took me long and hard years to accept that my forefathers had done this, rained down on innocent people the wages of war and made them pay a debt not owed by any innocent person in full, with interest.

Mothers holding children as they both perished, fully engulfed in flame. At the end of the war. In an absolute horror.

Japanese fathers, employed by Kawasaki, eviscerated from the face of the earth in a mere fraction of a second. Japanese mothers tending newly born children, fully unaware of events about to unfold vanished in a flash of light and a puff of smoke in an instant.

I have a hard time reconciling the horror of my fellow man.

If I find this accusation against Germany to be the truth, I will mark it in the rolodex. It does not seem to reflect the character and will of the German people or the professionalism and commitment to Honor, Duty and Order upheld by the German Military.

During WW1 these good and upright people, of strong moral fortitude had been cleared of such accusations. Wartime propaganda, making these people out to be barbarians, inhuman, unholy vicious and devious. The enemy of life itself.

This narrative had been thrown against the German people just a few short years before, and had been retracted, but, when the smoke of ww2 lifted, the wartime lies, they persisted and continue to persist here and now 80 years later.

Yes, I want the truth to be told. I want people to know and understand the truth. Horrifying as it may be, or mundane as it may be, I do not care. I have no chips on either side of the pile. My great fire in this debate does not come from a place of hate or contempt, it comes from a desire for truth, unvarnished, simple and concise. My anger comes from the lies, both their number and depth. I want the truth, I seek the truth, I will spread the truth.

Strip all the lies away from the holocaust, and tell the truth, and I will gladly accept whatever the facts are that remain.

500,000 people cremated in Belzec. It is known that a body reduced to ashes fills a common shoe box. I researched via AI how many 500,000 shoe boxes per km2 would generate and the result was that it would take the area of ​​a small town to make up this mountain of ashes. In the case of Belzec, it is even worse since it would have to be mixed with soil, which increases the size of the problem. Well, let's not even mention the subject of wood.

[Nessie]

'Witnesses, documents and photographs to mass shooting of entire populations, along with the circumstantial evidence of the role of the Einstagruppen and Nazi supporters, proves the actions to make the east "Jew free".'

Are you going to seriously stand there and tell me there was no anti terrorist campaign by the German Authorities, that there was no rear line terrorism and that the Germans slaughtered innocent people en masse? You actually believe this. You also believe this was exclusive to the eastern front.

It would be better if you stopped inventing strawman positions for me and you read and reply what I have said. The evidence was to clear the eastern countries of Jews and make them Jew free. That was framed as anti-terrorist, but the Nazis tended to list Jews separately from partisans and Communists, as they were regarded as distinct, though at times, overlapping enemies.

The police of making the east Jew free is a problem for revisionists, who claim that the police was to resettle Jews in the east.

When I look at the situation in Romania for example, the picture painted by the actions of the German Authorities differs wildly from the behavior that you expect me to believe took place.

The Holocaust in Romania was independent of the Holocaust by the Nazis. Do you deny there was a Holocaust in Romania?

'You will find no evidence of resettlement from Belzec to any other place. But that will not deter your desire to believe it happened.'

What ought, what should and what I would want are not always congruent. I do not reject reality to fit my world view. So far, reading about belzec, every propaganda trope is there, complete with the quick lime in the train cars, rivers of blood, ditches miles long full of dead bodies, self cremating corpses, the whole 9 yards. The same tired lies I thought were dismissed as propaganda decades ago, along with the electric conveyor belts of death, pop back up, bam, all together, right there.

If I find that the truth is that a great many people met their fate there, I will pray, reflect and apologize. I will also make it my lifes work to tell the truth of what happened, for it is the overflow of propaganda presented as fact that has put into my mind doubt, which as grown the more patent lies and misrepresentations I have found I have been exposed to.

You spend your time dwelling on hearsay, rumour and atrocity stories, which you then further embellish, to support your desired disbelief. You should seek out the most accurate, least hyperbolic evidence to get the most accurate narrative of events.

'You reveal your motive for wanting the Holocaust to have not happened.'

I am motivated by the truth. That you can swallow tales of inhumanity written by propagandists as facts doesn't mean I should as well. I do not take these accusations against my fellow man lightly, and I will have to see hard evidence, not the circumstantial. Such is my framework.

I ignore the obvious fake propaganda and seek the most accurate evidence. Revisionists constantly conflate the two.

That people could torture and abuse an innocent child is abhorrent and it boggles the mind, same with the accusation that men could round up and execute innocent people. People without blood on their hands. You sell it, I am not buying thank you. There are a lot of parallels between the two situations.

I understand that the fire bombers and the dam busters did this, but, they were detached enough not to see what they were doing, to understand the impact of their actions. I'm not excusing the wholesale slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, I'm not justifying it, I'm explaining it. It took me long and hard years to accept that my forefathers had done this, rained down on innocent people the wages of war and made them pay a debt not owed by any innocent person in full, with interest.

Mothers holding children as they both perished, fully engulfed in flame. At the end of the war. In an absolute horror.

Japanese fathers, employed by Kawasaki, eviscerated from the face of the earth in a mere fraction of a second. Japanese mothers tending newly born children, fully unaware of events about to unfold vanished in a flash of light and a puff of smoke in an instant.

I have a hard time reconciling the horror of my fellow man.

If I find this accusation against Germany to be the truth, I will mark it in the rolodex. It does not seem to reflect the character and will of the German people or the professionalism and commitment to Honor, Duty and Order upheld by the German Military.

During WW1 these good and upright people, of strong moral fortitude had been cleared of such accusations. Wartime propaganda, making these people out to be barbarians, inhuman, unholy vicious and devious. The enemy of life itself.

This narrative had been thrown against the German people just a few short years before, and had been retracted, but, when the smoke of ww2 lifted, the wartime lies, they persisted and continue to persist here and now 80 years later.

Yes, I want the truth to be told. I want people to know and understand the truth. Horrifying as it may be, or mundane as it may be, I do not care. I have no chips on either side of the pile. My great fire in this debate does not come from a place of hate or contempt, it comes from a desire for truth, unvarnished, simple and concise. My anger comes from the lies, both their number and depth. I want the truth, I seek the truth, I will spread the truth.

Strip all the lies away from the holocaust, and tell the truth, and I will gladly accept whatever the facts are that remain.

That is what the early criminal investigators historians did. That is why claims of death camps with gas chambers in German were mostly dismissed and death tolls reduced.

[Nessie]

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500,000 people cremated in Belzec. It is known that a body reduced to ashes fills a common shoe box. I researched via AI how many 500,000 shoe boxes per km2 would generate and the result was that it would take the area of ​​a small town to make up this mountain of ashes. In the case of Belzec, it is even worse since it would have to be mixed with soil, which increases the size of the problem. Well, let's not even mention the subject of wood.

A shoe box of 20cm x 30cm x 12cm is 7,200cm3. There are a million cm3 in a m3, so 1,000,000 divided by 7200 is 139, which is how many shoe boxes fit in a cubic meter. There was 21,000m3 identified at Belzec, as disturbed ground containing a mix of remains and ash. 21,000 x 139 is 2,919,000, which is how many shoeboxes would fit in the graves at the camp. The death toll is in the range of 420,000 to 600,000.

[Hektor]

...

500,000 people cremated in Belzec. It is known that a body reduced to ashes fills a common shoe box. I researched via AI how many 500,000 shoe boxes per km2 would generate and the result was that it would take the area of ​​a small town to make up this mountain of ashes. In the case of Belzec, it is even worse since it would have to be mixed with soil, which increases the size of the problem. Well, let's not even mention the subject of wood.

But that's not gonna happen without the proper logistics in place. Except for the ashes, there will be body parts like tooth that will be rather difficult to destroy.

[Stubble]

Nessie, I'm just reading the primary sources and court transcripts.

So far as what happened in Romania, are you claiming Romania wasn't under German Authority during ww2? Further, what I am claiming is that things were relatively good for the jews in Romania and it was seen as a bit of a safe haven for them until there was a communist rebellion by them.

If you can give me primary sources that aren't propaganda and court transcripts that are not ridiculous, I'll gladly look at them. I very seriously would like to know exactly what happened.

[Nessie]

Nessie, I'm just reading the primary sources and court transcripts.

So far as what happened in Romania, are you claiming Romania wasn't under German Authority during ww2? Further, what I am claiming is that things were relatively good for the jews in Romania and it was seen as a bit of a safe haven for them until there was a communist rebellion by them.

If you can give me primary sources that aren't propaganda and court transcripts that are not ridiculous, I'll gladly look at them. I very seriously would like to know exactly what happened.

I do not know a lot about Romania, just that whilst it was a Nazi ally, like Hungary, it was left to rule itself and because the Romanian authorities were murdering Jews, unlike the Hungarians, the Nazis left them to it. Why does Romania still admit to its role in the Holocaust, if it was a hoax?

[borjastick]

Why does Romania still admit to its role in the Holocaust, if it was a hoax?

Romania wanted access to the EU and playing the holocaust guilt game while prostrating the country in front of the EU dictatorship would have helped their entry into the CLUB in 2007.

[Nessie]

Why does Romania still admit to its role in the Holocaust, if it was a hoax?

Romania wanted access to the EU and playing the holocaust guilt game while prostrating the country in front of the EU dictatorship would have helped their entry into the CLUB in 2007.

Any evidence that to join the EU, a country has to pretend they killed their Jewish population during WWII?

[borjastick]

Why does Romania still admit to its role in the Holocaust, if it was a hoax?

Romania wanted access to the EU and playing the holocaust guilt game while prostrating the country in front of the EU dictatorship would have helped their entry into the CLUB in 2007.

Any evidence that to join the EU, a country has to pretend they killed their Jewish population during WWII?

Classic Nessie, misses the point by a million miles and then makes a silly accusation and dumb point.

[Archie]

Why does Romania still admit to its role in the Holocaust, if it was a hoax?

Romania wanted access to the EU and playing the holocaust guilt game while prostrating the country in front of the EU dictatorship would have helped their entry into the CLUB in 2007.

Any evidence that to join the EU, a country has to pretend they killed their Jewish population during WWII?

If you won't take our word for it, listen to the mainstream Holocaust historians.

[Stubble]

Romania wanted access to the EU and playing the holocaust guilt game while prostrating the country in front of the EU dictatorship would have helped their entry into the CLUB in 2007.

Any evidence that to join the EU, a country has to pretend they killed their Jewish population during WWII?

If you won't take our word for it, listen to the mainstream Holocaust historians.

Oh damn. That's nuts.