Logical Fallacies [Remedial education for Nessie]

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Nazgul wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 11:39 am
Nessie wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2024 8:05 am there was no Nazi department responsible for resettlement.
There was Schmelt und Todt organizations mandate to relocate Jews for labour under SS. Resettlement is your fiction not the reality.
Where is your evidence of how many Jews in those camps in 1945?

To stay on topic, logically, since you cannot evidence millions of Jews still alive in 1944 and liberated in 1945, that is circumstantial evidence which supports the mass murder evidence.
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Nessie wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 12:24 pm
Nazgul wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 11:39 am
Nessie wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2024 8:05 am there was no Nazi department responsible for resettlement.
There was Schmelt und Todt organizations mandate to relocate Jews for labour under SS. Resettlement is your fiction not the reality.
Where is your evidence of how many Jews in those camps in 1945?

To stay on topic, logically, since you cannot evidence millions of Jews still alive in 1944 and liberated in 1945, that is circumstantial evidence which supports the mass murder evidence.
Not being reportable present alive is necessarily the case if mass-killing occurred. But it is not evidence FOR Mass-killing. The absence simply doesn't contradict the thesis neither. Killing millions would however produce remains of millions of people among evidence that should be there. Where are there?
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Nessie wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 12:24 pm Where is your evidence of how many Jews in those camps in 1945?

To stay on topic, logically, since you cannot evidence millions of Jews still alive in 1944 and liberated in 1945, that is circumstantial evidence which supports the mass murder evidence.
The existence of a large number of Jewish camps in 1944 implies that they were full of Jews, just as the existence of houses, factories and schools implies people, workers and students. I have said many times that the term "Liberated" has no meaning as the workers simply walked out like miss X and hundreds of her kin. In fact she admits she was treated well. Where they all went afterwards is not mentioned.
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Nazgul wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2024 9:25 am
Nessie wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 12:24 pm Where is your evidence of how many Jews in those camps in 1945?

To stay on topic, logically, since you cannot evidence millions of Jews still alive in 1944 and liberated in 1945, that is circumstantial evidence which supports the mass murder evidence.
The existence of a large number of Jewish camps in 1944 implies that they were full of Jews, just as the existence of houses, factories and schools implies people, workers and students.
You are admitting to your lack of actual evidence, and all you have is implication. That is because the evidence is the Soviets found largely empty camps as the Nazis fled west, and the Western Allies only found a few hundred thousand Jews in the camps they liberated.
I have said many times that the term "Liberated" has no meaning as the workers simply walked out like miss X and hundreds of her kin. In fact she admits she was treated well. Where they all went afterwards is not mentioned.
You admit that the only evidence you have, to your suggestion millions of Jews just walked out of camps, is a witness called "Miss X" and supposedly a few hundred people. The actual evidence is that the displaced persons agencies only reported a few hundred thousand Jews needing assistance after the war. There is no evidence of millions of Jews emigrating out of Europe. Every occupied country reported huge drops in their Jewish population and few, if any, returns.

You have implication and limited evidence, that is contradicted by a mountain of evidence. It is not just logic you need education in, it is evidencing.
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Nessie wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2024 10:00 am the evidence is the Soviets found largely empty camps as the Nazis fled west, and the Western Allies only found a few hundred thousand Jews in the camps they liberated.
The definition of a camp is your issue. Most labour camps were in schools, churches, town halls. That would explain why only a few hundred thousand were found in the camps you described; they were simply not in those type of "camps". If you had bothered to follow our research this would be self evident.
You admit that the only evidence you have, to your suggestion millions of Jews just walked out of camps, is a witness called "Miss X" and supposedly a few hundred people.
All the others obviously thought it was not an issue. They just got on with their lives like most now.
People simply do not report non issues. Until others prove otherswise, the majority of the Jews were not (((liberated))), but simply disengaged their captors. Please prove otherwise.
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Nazgul wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2024 1:43 pm
Nessie wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2024 10:00 am the evidence is the Soviets found largely empty camps as the Nazis fled west, and the Western Allies only found a few hundred thousand Jews in the camps they liberated.
The definition of a camp is your issue. Most labour camps were in schools, churches, town halls. That would explain why only a few hundred thousand were found in the camps you described; they were simply not in those type of "camps". If you had bothered to follow our research this would be self evident.
Name a school, a church and a town hall that was being used to accommodate Jews in 1944.
You admit that the only evidence you have, to your suggestion millions of Jews just walked out of camps, is a witness called "Miss X" and supposedly a few hundred people.
All the others obviously thought it was not an issue. They just got on with their lives like most now.
People simply do not report non issues.
Being imprisoned by the Nazis and then finding somewhere to live and work after the war, is not a non issue. You have zero evidence of millions of Jews being liberated and then as displaced persons.
Until others prove otherswise, the majority of the Jews were not (((liberated))), but simply disengaged their captors. Please prove otherwise.
You have admitted to having no evidence of mass liberations or displaced Jews after the war. Hence you push the burden of proof onto me.

The evidence, from the Nazis, is that they took as many prisoners with them as they fled the Soviets, leaving behind largely empty camps. The evidence is that the Soviets found mostly empty camps. There is evidence of only a few hundred thousand Jews as displaced persons.
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Nessie wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2024 7:02 pm Name a school, a church and a town hall that was being used to accommodate Jews in 1944.
Stop asking questions and do some research.
If you took time to read other posts, which you obviously do not, you would know that many of the camps did not have names. Your assumptions, such as naming and liberation, even camp definitions prevent you from understanding the reality.
In August 1944 I was drafted into a labour camp of the Organisation Todt ,Unternehmen Bert hold, about 20 miles from Breslau. Our accommodation, first in a barn, later on the dance floor of a country inn

You have zero evidence of millions of Jews being liberated and then as displaced persons.

You have admitted to having no evidence of mass liberations or displaced Jews after the war. Hence you push the burden of proof onto me.

The evidence, from the Nazis, is that they took as many prisoners with them as they fled the Soviets, leaving behind largely empty camps. The evidence is that the Soviets found mostly empty camps. There is evidence of only a few hundred thousand Jews as displaced persons.
The burden of proof is on you as you are the one pushing the claims. You have in your mind visions of all camps being SS Konzentrationslager, which they clearly were not. There was no mass liberations as people simply walked out. The scenario you think should be the case is pure fiction.
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Nazgul wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2024 9:43 pm
Nessie wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2024 7:02 pm Name a school, a church and a town hall that was being used to accommodate Jews in 1944.
Stop asking questions and do some research.
When you make a claim, it is up to you to do the research to back that claim up.
If you took time to read other posts, which you obviously do not, you would know that many of the camps did not have names. Your assumptions, such as naming and liberation, even camp definitions prevent you from understanding the reality.
In August 1944 I was drafted into a labour camp of the Organisation Todt ,Unternehmen Bert hold, about 20 miles from Breslau. Our accommodation, first in a barn, later on the dance floor of a country inn
Link to the source please
You have zero evidence of millions of Jews being liberated and then as displaced persons.

You have admitted to having no evidence of mass liberations or displaced Jews after the war. Hence you push the burden of proof onto me.

The evidence, from the Nazis, is that they took as many prisoners with them as they fled the Soviets, leaving behind largely empty camps. The evidence is that the Soviets found mostly empty camps. There is evidence of only a few hundred thousand Jews as displaced persons.
The burden of proof is on you as you are the one pushing the claims. You have in your mind visions of all camps being SS Konzentrationslager, which they clearly were not. There was no mass liberations as people simply walked out. The scenario you think should be the case is pure fiction.
You have failed to evidence millions of people were left behind in the camps, as the Nazis fled and they just walked out. You cannot evidence millions of Jews in Operation Todt camps in 1944-5.

I have evidenced the Nazi policy of taking prisoners with them as they fled west, only a few hundred thousand displaced Jewish persons after the war, and every occupied country reporting a huge drop in their Jewish population during occupation, which did not increase back to previous levels after the war.
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