Sobibor 2012 excavation

[Stubble]

Explain this like I'm 5. Tell me why I should not being having a stroke from rage. I'm, very, very 'non-plussed' about this development.

Did literally nobody archive a copy?

I want to see the report, and so I have been looking, and it appears to be fully scrubbed.

This is nuts.

If there were a single file that would be worth hosting here, it would be this report in my opinion. I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around this.

They will be posted here soon. (A hat tip to Mr. Gerdes for the info.)

Edited to add:


The first one is titled:

Archaeological Research in the Sobibór Camp
A Preliminary Report of the 2012 Excavation Season

And can be viewed here:

http://sobibor.info.pl/wp-content/uploa ... -2012.pdff


The second one is titled:

Preliminary Report of Archaeological Excavations in the Sobibór Extermination Center
November 26, 2012 – December 3, 2012

And can be viewed here:

[url]file:///D:/Sobibr-Autumn-2012.pdf[/url]


The third one is titled:

Preliminary Report of Archaeological Excavations in the Sobibór Extermination Center
November 2012 – May 2013

And can be viewed here:

https://web.archive.org/web/20141019203 ... 2-2013.pdf


The fourth report is titled:

Sobibór Excavations Preliminary Report:
Winter 2013 Season

And can be viewed here:

https://web.archive.org/web/20141019203 ... n-2013.pdf

I mean, for real, is the whole thing, head to toe, a LIE? legitimately, a LIE? From start to finish?

I had always assumed there was some germ, some seed, some splinter of truth, that things had just gradually morphed and been cajoled, that things had been misrepresented or misconstrued.

Now, after seeing that? After looking at 5 meters of empty sand and broken property?

There is no debate. It's literally all fake and gay, the whole thing. Not just the brain bashing machines and the electric floors, the whole thing.

Apparently no jews where harmed in the minting of 'the holocaust' (tm)

At least none at Sobibor anyhow...

Edit: found better links;

https://codoh.com/?s=Sobibor+excavation+

[Keen]

I mean, for real, is the whole thing, head to toe, a LIE? legitimately, a LIE? From start to finish?

Think about it. It was once claimed that the "ash mound" contained the remains of 250,000 jews that were gathered up and piled into a huge "mound of ashes." The cognitive illusion was accomplished with nothing more than this:



It was a TOTAL LIE. One of the biggest holo-lies told. (There's a lot of competition.)

If the jews lied about the "ash mound" - 100% - then why should it be hard to believe that Kola's "investigation" was a total lie as well?

NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE - PROVES - NO MASS GRAVES, WHICH - PROVES - NO MASS MURDER, WHICH - PROVES - NO MASS GASSINGS, WHICH - PROVES - NO hOLOCAUST WITHIN THE hOLOCAUST AT SOBIBOR

And ask yourself this Stubble: Why do you think they pulled the NOVA program about Sobibor and shoved it down the memory hole when it was not only ready to roll, they were airing trailers for it?

Stubble:

I had always assumed there was some germ, some seed, some splinter of truth

That's the power of the big-lie technique at work.

[Keen]

There is no debate. It's literally all fake

Exactly.

There is literally stronger evidence for alien abduction than there is for mass burial.

[Keen]

I mean, for real, is the whole thing, head to toe, a LIE? legitimately, a LIE? From start to finish?

Yes, but I believe that a more descriptive word than lie is gaslighting

What is gaslighting?

Gaslighting is a form of psychological abuse where a person causes someone to question their sanity, memories, or perception of reality. People who experience gaslighting may feel confused, anxious, or unable to trust themselves.

...

Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation that causes someone to doubt their sanity, perceptions, or memories. It often occurs in abusive relationships, where the abuser creates a false narrative, leading the victim to question their judgment and reality.

[Keen]

Explain this like I'm 5. Tell me why I should not being having a stroke from rage. I'm, very, very 'non-plussed' about this development.

I feel your pain Stubble, but there is a positive way to look at this - the very opposite of how you are currently looking at it:

The scales have fallen from your eyes.

It's like a wake-up call. One NEEDS to have this kind of experience to help them understand and see the myriad other big-lies that they have been manipulated into believing since they were born. Like Neo in the Matrix, you've just taken the red pill. You are now ready to discover even more hidden truths. Yes you are going to be angry, but hang on man, because there is soooo much more to learn and it is a facinating ride. Learn to control and channel your anger. (We've all been there.) Good luck with your journey.

I would like to make a suggestion to you Stubble. One that will REALLY blow your mind and make you even angrier than you are now. Go to the https://thisisaboutscience.com/ website and watch all the videos links at the top of the page; the sentence that reads:

"To effectively - LEARN - THE - UNCOMFORTABLE - TRUTH - you must first - UNLEARN - THE - COMFORTABLE - LIES."

Again, if you think you're angry now, just wait until you watch those vids. But beware, IT WILL change you.

[Stubble]

I'm very familiar with 'The Willard Hotel Speech' by Mr Benjamin Freedman in 1961. It was a huge revelation that realigned my perception. That he WAS AT THE SIGNING OF THE TREATY OF VERSAILLES REPRESENTING THE jEWS WHO HAD STABBED GERMANY IN THE BACK was like an atom bomb to my mind.

Yes, the stab in the back was real.

Hellstorm. I have trouble watching it. To see what happened to the German people post war is like being hit in the face with a brick. It hurts.

Europa: The Last Battle, while it has the odd inaccuracy here or there, seems to stand as a decent primer for someone trying to understand. It is in need of an accurate revision. Communism by the backdoor is another GREAT video from the publisher.

None of them explain Sobibor like I'm 5 though.

Some James Wickstrom;



Also, 'In The Name of Zion;

[Keen]

My appologies Stubble, I see the scales fell from your eyes some time ago.

Thank you for the vids.

Keep up the good work.

[Keen]

The construction of part of the visitors center underground is not feasible due to the presence of high ground water at a depth of only two meters.

Archaeological Research in the Sobibór Camp
A Preliminary Report of the 2012 Excavation Season
Yoram Haimi

[Wetzelrad]

A deeper look into these reports is warranted. To say that there is no "splinter of truth" to what is said of Sobibor is not really fair, but neither should we stand on our laurels with this. The excavations did not start or end in 2012 but were actually semi-continuous from 2002-2023. More reports than what Keen links are available. The Holocaust Handbooks only cover up to 2017, from what I can tell, and those are not as comprehensive as I would like. There is a lot of grist for the mill waiting for someone to start cranking.

[Keen]

A deeper look into these reports is warranted. To say that there is no "splinter of truth" to what is said of Sobibor is not really fair, but neither should we stand on our laurels with this. The excavations did not start or end in 2012 but were actually semi-continuous from 2002-2023. More reports than what Keen links are available. The Holocaust Handbooks only cover up to 2017, from what I can tell, and those are not as comprehensive as I would like. There is a lot of grist for the mill waiting for someone to start cranking.

This is what I have done so far:

viewtopic.php?p=15778#p15778

Wetzelrad:

To say that there is no "splinter of truth" to what is said of Sobibor is not really fair

Maybe so, but this:

OPENING / FUNDAMENTAL STATEMENT OF FACT: It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II, the bodies and burnt remains of hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of jews were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations to the contrary, the truth is, the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the 96 graves / cremation pits in question that are fraudulently alleged to have been “scientifically proven” to currently exist at these five sites, in which verified human remains have been uncovered / tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology, contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

can be LEGALLY established as fact in a U.S. court.