Sobibor Mass Graves?

[Keen]

I am not certain, but I think the following photo:



is supposed to be of one of Sobibor's alleged 24 "scientifically / archaeologically proven huge mass graves."

I know that the charlaton Yoram Haimi is on the right, and what you see between the two shovels is, I think, alleged to be human remains.

[Stubble]

Going to guess that that pile is alleged to be cremains.

Mass grave would be a bit of an overstatement if that is the case.

[Keen]

Going to guess that that pile is alleged to be cremains.

Mass grave would be a bit of an overstatement if that is the case.

Yes, and that is if there are any actual human remains visible in this photo, cremated or othewise. Enlarge the photo and take a good look.



There seems to be a few "things" that look like they COULD be bone fragments. But we have no idea if they are stones, actual human bone fragments, actual cremated human bone fragments or bone fragments from an animal. But what else is odd about this photo?

First off, the photo is taken to make it look like two guys are taking a break from diggin in a "huge mass grave" and is taken at an angle that makes it look like they are standing in a pit 10 or so feet deep. It looks to me that the photo is taken from a vantage point that gives an illusion that the pit is much deeper than it really is and these two have just stepped in and are posing for the photo.

And why would the evil Nazis dig a massive pit 10 feet deep and only deposit a small portion of the cremated remains of one person in it and then fill the pit back in? That doesn't sound like a very efficient use of time and effort to me. My guess is if those "things" are not stones, they are not human bone fragments, cremated or otherwise. (Remember, Yoram Haimi is a proven liar, coward and fraud.)

Remember, if there really was a Sobibor holocaust, there would be about 1.825 million pounds of bone fragments and 8 million teeth buried at Sobibor.

[Wetzelrad]

The above photo is actually meant to show that they hit ground water at a depth of 3.3 meters. This is Sobibor grave 1. Notably, Andrzej Kola described this pit as 4.3 meters deep with other pits reaching to a depth as low as 5.8 meters, while Yitzak Arad described these pits as "5 to 7 meters deep", which if true would have put them halfway underwater.

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Haimi says that grave 1 "was not used as a mass grave", but according to his caption you should be able to see a "Layer of dark soil mixed with crushed bone fragments". Personally I can't see it.

[Keen]

The above photo is actually meant to show that they hit ground water at a depth of 3.3 meters. This is Sobibor grave 1. Notably, Andrzej Kola described this pit as 4.3 meters deep with other pits reaching to a depth as low as 5.8 meters, while Yitzak Arad described these pits as "5 to 7 meters deep", which if true would have put them halfway underwater.

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Haimi says that grave 1 "was not used as a mass grave", but according to his caption you should be able to see a "Layer of dark soil mixed with crushed bone fragments". Personally I can't see it.

Thanks for the info Wetzelrad. I'll give this thread more attention soon when I have more time.

[Keen]

Haimi says that grave 1 "was not used as a mass grave", but according to his caption you should be able to see a "Layer of dark soil mixed with crushed bone fragments". Personally I can't see it.

That's because the "crushed bone fragments" are actually magically disappearing crushed bone fragments.

They've been "proven" to exist, but you just can't see them. I think you need magic glasses to see them, but I've looked all over the internet and can't find any place that sells magic glasses. Maybe Nessie can tell us where he got his?

[Nazgul]

The above photo is actually meant to show that they hit ground water at a depth of 3.3 meters. This is Sobibor grave 1. Notably, Andrzej Kola described this pit as 4.3 meters deep with other pits reaching to a depth as low as 5.8 meters, while Yitzak Arad described these pits as "5 to 7 meters deep", which if true would have put them halfway underwater.

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Haimi says that grave 1 "was not used as a mass grave", but according to his caption you should be able to see a "Layer of dark soil mixed with crushed bone fragments". Personally I can't see it.

Water tables change with conditions.

[Keen]

The above photo is actually meant to show that they hit ground water at a depth of 3.3 meters. This is Sobibor grave 1. Notably, Andrzej Kola described this pit as 4.3 meters deep with other pits reaching to a depth as low as 5.8 meters, while Yitzak Arad described these pits as "5 to 7 meters deep", which if true would have put them halfway underwater.

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Haimi says that grave 1 "was not used as a mass grave", but according to his caption you should be able to see a "Layer of dark soil mixed with crushed bone fragments". Personally I can't see it.

Water tables change with conditions.

Yeah, the stronger your magic glasses are, the lower the water table gets.

[Nazgul]

Yeah, the stronger your magic glasses are, the lower the water table gets.

The water table may vary due to seasonal changes such as precipitation and evapotranspiration.

[Keen]

I just realized that this photo of a "huge mass grave" that has been scientifically proven to currently exist at Sobibor, in which verified human remains have been uncovered / tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology, was missing from the mix:

[Keen]

Nessie:

The majority of the eyewitnesses, those who worked inside the AR camps, Chelmno... all admit that mass killings took place.

The Nazis were not trying to magically disappear the corpses and the graves, as they knew that is impossible.

All the mass graves dug by the Nazis, and the corpses they cremated, are still at the AR camps and Chelmno.

The geophysical survey work has identified rectangular pits with straight edges and ramps at TII.

The sheer volume of evidence for mass graves at TII... Mass graves are proven.

By all normal standards of evidencing, they are proven.

I can point to them in the ground.

There are 11 at Treblinka II:

G32, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53 & 54.

Nessie, let's forget for a second the fact that you are a mentally ill pathological liar and the very best evidence for the existence of mass graves at T II that you have been able to show us to date is this photo (that you can't even prove was taken within the boundary of T II):



How many of the 24 alleged "huge mass graves" of Sobibor can you "point to in the ground"?

[Keen]

FYI, if you're keeping score at home, the following photo:



shows "huge mass graves" #13 (On the left - one skeleton) and #12 (On the right - six skeletons)

I will be "filling in the blanks" sortaspeak as we look at what has been proven to exist within each one of Sobibors 24 alleged "huge mass graves." ( viewtopic.php?p=15299#p15299 )

By examining each “proven mass grave” allegation separately, an intelligent person can easily see just how utterly vacuous and criminally fraudulent this transparent archaeological hoax really is.

2 down, 22 to go.

I'm sure we'll find the other 249,993 jews in those 22 other "huge mass graves." (Although we aren't starting out so good, are we?)

[Keen]

FYI - This is supposed to be Sobibor's "huge mass grave" #1:



Look at all those jewish remains!



The horror!!!

BTW, this is what the discredited fraud Kola said about "huge mass grave" #1:

Grave no 1 is located in the north - eastern part of hectare 17, just west from the memorial to victims. The site was excavated by 27 drills. Horizontally, it measures 20 x 20 m and is up to 4.30 m deep. It was a body burning grave.

A "body burning grave"!!!

And this is what the discredited fraud Yoram Haimi said about "huge mass grave" #1:

At a depth of 3.30 meters, we encountered ground water and we were unable to proceed with the excavation... it appears the grave was not used as a mass grave and it was covered when the camp was dismanteled.

Did you catch that? It was allegedly a hole in the ground that wasn't used as a grave, but they are still calling it a grave.



3 down, 21 to go.

I'm sure we'll find the other 249,993 jews in those 21 other "huge mass graves," aren't you?

(Although we aren't starting out so good, are we?)

[Stubble]

Wait,

You're, serious?

I know you have linked this image before, but, somehow I missed that this was Kola #1.

This is 'grave #1' from Kola's Study?

I don't know whether to laugh or weep...

Can you, provide some background for this please Sir? If you would be so kind.

[Keen]

Wait,

You're, serious?

I know you have linked this image before, but, somehow I missed it.

This is 'grave #1' from Kola's Study?

I don't know whether to laugh or weep...

Can you, provide some background for this please Sir? If you would be so kind.

Stubble, I have to run, so I'll get back to this tomorrow. But I have uncovered a treasure trove of articles that the jews tried to put down the memory hole.

BTW, I've done a bit of editing of that post. I'll be in touch.