If the Soviets discovered ‘death camps using gas’ why did Stalin not write about it?

[Nessie]

It is a so-called revisionist meme on X, to question why none of the Allied leaders, Churchill, Eisenhower or De Gaulle, wrote about gassings, or much about the Holocaust at all. Interestingly, they never ask about Stalin. I was recently told, here, he was a Jew, and the Soviets are often accused of being a major player in the Holocaust hoax. If that is the case, why was Stalin not front and centre, speaking about, or writing about, gassings and the Holocaust?

It is not just that he said, or wrote nothing, he also did not allow any Soviet history of, or memorial to the Holocaust. Indeed, the Soviets and Stalin, hardly acknowledge it happened at all.

[Wetzelrad]

Your question is a non sequitur. The Soviets did discover the "death camps", but both the Soviets and the West were involved in the creation of the Holocaust narrative. None of their heads of state made more than vague allusion to the atrocity propaganda, probably because, just as it is with propaganda today, it is extremely discrediting if your head of state goes public with some obvious fabrication. For example George Bush with WMDs.

Propaganda is best laundered through anonymous sources, smaller names, and organizations which is why they used non-state media like JTA, and clergy members, and whisper campaigns.

I can't find where Stalin had any personal reaction to Nazi camps and atrocities, but we know the Soviets formed various commissions which made all kinds of exaggerated or false claims. They also set up this grusome memorial at Majdanek with zombies and cans of Zyklon. Is this not a "Soviet memorial to the Holocaust"?

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[TlsMS93]

Stalin emphasized Soviet suffering in general, not a minority. This isn't to say that Stalin didn't contribute to creating this scarecrow; after all, it was east of the Iron Curtain that the Holocaust supposedly occurred. The fact that camps like Majdanek saw a drastic reduction in death tolls was due to preserved records, which is why it's on the verge of being classified as concentration camps rather than extermination camps by the mainstream, while the remainder of Operation Reinhardt is what still survives with massive death tolls.

[Nessie]

The reason why Churchill, Eisenhower and de Gaulle did not write in detail about the Holocaust, was because it was a failure on their part to do little to nothing about it during the war and they are not the type of people to admit failure. Stalin did not write about it, because he did not care about the Jews, even Soviet Jews. He certainly did not care about western Jews. It was the Soviet people who suffered the most.

So-called revisionists love to suggest the Soviets were the main drivers of a Holocaust hoax, but that does not work with the Soviet lack of recognition of the Holocaust.

[Nazgul]

The reason why Churchill, Eisenhower and de Gaulle did not write in detail about the Holocaust, was because it was a failure on their part to do little to nothing about it during the war and they are not the type of people to admit failure. Stalin did not write about it, because he did not care about the Jews, even Soviet Jews. He certainly did not care about western Jews. It was the Soviet people who suffered the most.

Evidence this apparent speculation.

[Nessie]

The reason why Churchill, Eisenhower and de Gaulle did not write in detail about the Holocaust, was because it was a failure on their part to do little to nothing about it during the war and they are not the type of people to admit failure. Stalin did not write about it, because he did not care about the Jews, even Soviet Jews. He certainly did not care about western Jews. It was the Soviet people who suffered the most.

Evidence this apparent speculation.

They could have publicised and highlighted the information about mass murders of Jews, coming from the Poles, during the war, putting pressure on the Nazis to stop. They did not do that, which is a failure on their part, which none admit to.

[Nazgul]

They could have publicised and highlighted the information about mass murders of Jews, coming from the Poles, during the war, putting pressure on the Nazis to stop. They did not do that, which is a failure on their part, which none admit to.

It is more likely they knew the propaganda for what it was. I asked for evidence, not your limited speculation.

[HansHill]

They could have publicised and highlighted the information about mass murders of Jews, coming from the Poles, during the war, putting pressure on the Nazis to stop. They did not do that, which is a failure on their part, which none admit to.

It is more likely they knew the propaganda for what it was. I asked for evidence, not your limited speculation.

Absolutely.

This is more slop from the Slop Merchant himself. In contrast to the Slop Merchant, the High IQ take is that the relevant authorities knew that the propaganda was just that: propaganda, and were in fact embarrassed by the ridiculousness of it

In contrast to all other Allied governments, the
Brits were in the enviable situation of having cracked
the SS’s radio encryption code between January
1942 and January 1943. Hence, the British managed
to intercept and decipher all radio traffic between
German concentration camps and their Oranienburg
headquarters (see the entry on British Radio Inter-
cepts). Therefore, they knew that there was no trace
of any extermination policy in these intercepts, no
trace of any homicidal gassing, and that the Poles
were exaggerating the numbers of deported, incar-
cerated, perished and murdered victims.
To hide that they knew better, and also because it
served their purpose of vilifying the Germans, the
British nevertheless spread this type of Polish propa-
ganda through their media channels. However, when
it came to official communications, they inevitably
revealed a bit of the truth.

In August 1943, Poland’s government-in-exile
lobbied the British and American governments to is-
sue a public statement condemning “German terror
in Poland.” A draft for such a statement included ref-
erences to mass execution in gas chambers. That is
where Britain’s psychological warfare experts
stepped on the brake, vetoing this with clear words,
and succeeded in getting all these references re-
moved. Victor Cavendish-Bentinck, the Chairman of
the Allied Joint Intelligence Committee, stated in this
regard:

“In my opinion it is incorrect to describe Polish
information regarding German atrocities as
trustworthy’. The Poles, and to a far greater ex-
tent the Jews, tend to exaggerate German atroci-
ties in order to stoke us up. They seem to have
succeeded.
Mr Allen and myself have both followed Ger-
man atrocities quite closely. [This is the hint at
radio intercepts.] I do not believe that there is any
evidence which would be accepted in a Law Court
that Polish children have been killed on the spot
by Germans when their parents were being de-
ported to work in Germany, nor that Polish chil-
dren have been sold to German settlers.
As regards putting Poles to death in gas cham-
bers, I do not believe that there is any evidence
that this has been done. There have been many
stories to this effect, and we have played them up
in PWE rumours without believing that they had
any foundation. At any rate there is far less evi-
dence than exists for the mass murder of Polish
officers by the Russians at Katyn. On the other
hand, we do know that the Germans are out to de-
stroy Jews of any age unless they are fit for man-
ual labour.
I think that we weaken our case against the
Germans by publicly giving credence to atrocity
stories for which we have no evidence. These
mass executions in gas chambers remind me of
the stories of employment of human corpses dur-
ing the last war for the manufacture of fat, which
was a grotesque lie and led to the true stories of
German atrocities being brushed aside as being
mere propaganda.”

[Nessie]

They could have publicised and highlighted the information about mass murders of Jews, coming from the Poles, during the war, putting pressure on the Nazis to stop. They did not do that, which is a failure on their part, which none admit to.

It is more likely they knew the propaganda for what it was. I asked for evidence, not your limited speculation.

Absolutely.

This is more slop from the Slop Merchant himself. In contrast to the Slop Merchant, the High IQ take is that the relevant authorities knew that the propaganda was just that: propaganda, and were in fact embarrassed by the ridiculousness of it

In contrast to all other Allied governments, the
Brits were in the enviable situation of having cracked
the SS’s radio encryption code between January
1942 and January 1943. Hence, the British managed
to intercept and decipher all radio traffic between
German concentration camps and their Oranienburg
headquarters (see the entry on British Radio Inter-
cepts). Therefore, they knew that there was no trace
of any extermination policy in these intercepts, no
trace of any homicidal gassing, and that the Poles
were exaggerating the numbers of deported, incar-
cerated, perished and murdered victims.
To hide that they knew better, and also because it
served their purpose of vilifying the Germans, the
British nevertheless spread this type of Polish propa-
ganda through their media channels. However, when
it came to official communications, they inevitably
revealed a bit of the truth.

In August 1943, Poland’s government-in-exile
lobbied the British and American governments to is-
sue a public statement condemning “German terror
in Poland.” A draft for such a statement included ref-
erences to mass execution in gas chambers. That is
where Britain’s psychological warfare experts
stepped on the brake, vetoing this with clear words,
and succeeded in getting all these references re-
moved. Victor Cavendish-Bentinck, the Chairman of
the Allied Joint Intelligence Committee, stated in this
regard:

“In my opinion it is incorrect to describe Polish
information regarding German atrocities as
trustworthy’. The Poles, and to a far greater ex-
tent the Jews, tend to exaggerate German atroci-
ties in order to stoke us up. They seem to have
succeeded.
Mr Allen and myself have both followed Ger-
man atrocities quite closely. [This is the hint at
radio intercepts.] I do not believe that there is any
evidence which would be accepted in a Law Court
that Polish children have been killed on the spot
by Germans when their parents were being de-
ported to work in Germany, nor that Polish chil-
dren have been sold to German settlers.
As regards putting Poles to death in gas cham-
bers, I do not believe that there is any evidence
that this has been done. There have been many
stories to this effect, and we have played them up
in PWE rumours without believing that they had
any foundation. At any rate there is far less evi-
dence than exists for the mass murder of Polish
officers by the Russians at Katyn. On the other
hand, we do know that the Germans are out to de-
stroy Jews of any age unless they are fit for man-
ual labour.
I think that we weaken our case against the
Germans by publicly giving credence to atrocity
stories for which we have no evidence. These
mass executions in gas chambers remind me of
the stories of employment of human corpses dur-
ing the last war for the manufacture of fat, which
was a grotesque lie and led to the true stories of
German atrocities being brushed aside as being
mere propaganda.”

By 1945, the Allies, including the Soviets, realised that the Polish and Slovakian reports of mass murders at camps, were well evidenced. The Nazis provided much of that evidence, so there was no doubting it.

Still, not a single word from Stalin. You would think if he had approved of a hoax, he would ensure it was run by the Soviets.

[HansHill]

Nobody is this stupid.

Stalin's silence on the gas chambers is a huge -1 for Orthodoxy. With everything we know about the blossoming Cold War at this exact moment, the imminent Berlin Blockade, and literal apocalyptic tensions rising, Stalin was far too smooth of an operator to begin ranting about fake gas chambers to try one up a defeated foe. He didn't need to.

The document I showed you, shows that the relevant authorities were happy to allow propaganda to ruminate throughout various levels without needing to take a positive stand. This was done.

[Nessie]

Nobody is this stupid.

Stalin's silence on the gas chambers is a huge -1 for Orthodoxy. With everything we know about the blossoming Cold War at this exact moment, the imminent Berlin Blockade, and literal apocalyptic tensions rising, Stalin was far too smooth of an operator to begin ranting about fake gas chambers to try one up a defeated foe. He didn't need to.

The vast majority of so-called revisionists hold the Soviets, at least in a large part, as responsible for the supposed Holocaust hoax. Therefore, it is a -3 for them, that Stalin never mentioned it, the Soviets produced no history of it, or memorial to it.

To see how much the Soviets are held responsible, go on X and see all the tweets about the Soviets supposedly reconstructing Krema I and how odd it was, that all the death camps and gas chambers were found in the east, in Soviet captured territory.
Anyone, who does some basic research, will see those claims are wrong.

The document I showed you, shows that the relevant authorities were happy to allow propaganda to ruminate throughout various levels without needing to take a positive stand. This was done.

Cherry-picking evidence, produces a distorted, inaccurate result. In 1943, the British did not believe the reports from the Poles about mass murders at camps. By 1945, they did.

[HansHill]

Nobody is this stupid.

Seems I was wrong.

Stalin not commenting on the gas chambers means he knew they were discrediting to comment on. If they were credible, he would have credibly commented on them.

See Wetzelrad's reply from earlier re Bush WMDs. The document I showed you demonstrates how High IQ operators think, behave and strategise during critical moments. You don't understand this, fine. Everyone else here does.

[Nessie]

Nobody is this stupid.

Seems I was wrong.

Stalin not commenting on the gas chambers means he knew they were discrediting to comment on. If they were credible, he would have credibly commented on them.

See Wetzelrad's reply from earlier re Bush WMDs. The document I showed you demonstrates how High IQ operators think, behave and strategise during critical moments. You don't understand this, fine. Everyone else here does.

You are now arguing Stalin did not comment on the gas chambers, because he knew they were not credible, so does that mean you think that the gas chambers were not a Soviet hoax?

[HansHill]

You are now arguing Stalin did not comment on the gas chambers, because he knew they were not credible, so does that mean you think that the gas chambers were not a Soviet hoax?

No. And you are still not getting it, hilariously. So i'll invoke another example, even thought Wetzelrad's example was already perfect.

President Johnson in the immediate aftermath of the Gulf Of Tonkin attack, made a radio address to the American people detailing the two "attacks".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_T ... can_people

This opened Johnson up to legitimate criticism, as these reports lacked the credibility required for such an accusation



Stalin was simply not going to make a mistake like this, he had far too much on the line in the immediate post-war / early Cold War to be as hilariously sloppy as you suggest. This behaviour from Stlain is consistent with other Soviet hoaxes like Katyn and the Jew Soap presented at Nuremberg.

Josef Stalin simply isn't going to rant and rave about gas chambers or Jew soap. He's a level above that.

[HansHill]

As an addendum: Lest this be categorised as "cherry picking", this was absolutely in character and understood about Stalin.

See below as per Daniel Harrington "Berlin On The Brink"



Yet again this confirms to us what you have now been told repeatedly: Stalin simply isn't going to make rash, silly, and ridiculous comments. His credibility and personal prestige as a Statesman would not allow for this.