The Krege Report

[Stubble]

For those unfamiliar, the Krege Report was compiled around 1999-2000, but, to my knowledge remains unpublished.

During the collection phase, Krege did GPR studies, took core samples from trees and from the earth and did various other collection.

This report remains unpublished. I'd like to know if there is any way to review the data, such as it may be at this point.

Anybody know where the data and evidence for the report is? Or if there was ever even a preliminary report published?

[joshk246]

For those unfamiliar, the Krege Report was compiled around 1999-2000, but, to my knowledge remains unpublished.

During the collection phase, Krege did GPR studies, took core samples from trees and from the earth and did various other collection.

This report remains unpublished. I'd like to know if there is any way to review the data, such as it may be at this point.

Anybody know where the data and evidence for the report is? Or if there was ever even a preliminary report published?

There’s a 2019 CODOH article about Krege- https://codoh.com/library/document/the- ... treblinka/

Apart from that, I don’t know much else. Hopefully someone who has more knowledge about it can bring something new to light, I’m interested in this too..

[Archie]

Here's an older article. It has a screenshot, I guess of some of the GPR data. I think this is the only "data" that was ever released.



https://fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/Treblinka/IHRJ191000.html

I think a full report was supposed to be coming out but nothing ever happened. Unless the data is published, I don't know that there's much to say.

[Wetzelrad]

There is this 3-minute video of the study:
https://web.archive.org/web/20220121021 ... blinka.mpg

Included in the footage is a brief look at the monitor during a scan. The narrator makes the bombastic claim that Krege's findings "show with 100% certainty" Treblinka was not an extermination camp. This is a typical overzealous report, the kind of thing that should be avoided.

Germar Rudolf more cautiously wrote that Krege scanned only part of the camp, considered it inconclusive, and decided not to publish. However, this stands somewhat at odds with the above article, which is credited to Krege, which evidently was published, and which portrays his work as covering "everywhere in the camp" and beyond.

[Stubble]

Maybe I could try to contact Krege.

There were 5 interviews on YouTube some years ago, but, they are scrubbed and I can't find an archive.

Link for reference;

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLt ... kJKqg0e-4m

Update, still looking, haven't found interviews, found the hosts website;

https://www.mikepiperreport.com/

I haven't cracked in to trying to contact Richard Krege. If you know any good contact information, feel free to reach out with a DM.

[Stubble]

Interview archive located, audio only unfortunately. Personally archived to a memory card and an external drive.

https://archive.org/details/TheJournalO ... 1980-2002-

[bombsaway]

FYI

MGK and other deniers have also shown a blatant double standard in their demands and elevation of archaeological evidence, while ignoring the obvious failure of Revisionists to publish Richard Krege’s report after allegedly conducting ground penetrating radar work at the Treblinka extermination camp. Krege is said to have first conducted preliminary investigations in October 1999, with more results gathered in 2000, when Graf accompanied Krege to Treblinka, Auschwitz-Birkenau, and Belzec.[300] Krege’s work was initially expected to be included with Mattogno and Graf’s book on Treblinka (first published in 2002), but apparently was delayed for the purpose of its own separate publication. This work, which Graf valued as possessing “special importance,” has still not appeared more than ten years after the alleged occurrence of the study, despite the publication of several other Revisionist works as well (ruling out publishing limitations).[301] In his articles, prior to discovering Kola’s 2001 Polish article on the work in the Sobibor camp, Thomas Kues several times declared that without such a public article in any language, the value of Kola’s archaeological work was deemed to be “highly questionable,” if worth anything at all.[302] Kues also took the liberty to suggest that Kola or his associates “delayed the publication of documentation in order to avoid critical scrutiny.” Of course, these comments are irrelevant as Kola did publish material on his archaeological work in the camp in 2001; however, would MGK accept similar comments regarding the failure of Krege to publish the results of his work, formerly partnered with their own?

https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... _9569.html

So neither Mattogno or Graf so much as mentioned the report, despite working closely with Krege, w Graf actually accompanying him during his tests.

HC Blog:

"[301] The probable reason why Krege’s report has not been published is that Krege realized that his GPR had discovered what it was supposed to prove the non-existence of, i.e. soil disturbances indicating the presence of mass graves corresponding to mass murder on an enormous scale. For indications in this direction see the assessment of Krege’s published GPR scan by GPR expert Lawrence B. Conyers Quoted in the post dated Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:12 am by "wet blanket" on the "Atheist Parents" discussion forum, http://www.atheistparents.org/forum/vie ... c&start=25); regarding Conyers' GPR expertise see his website at University of Denver, http://mysite.du.edu/~lconyer/). "

Apparently the scans show massive ground disturbance.

[Stubble]

Link to guy saying stuff about study broken, although, I may use the contact me feature on his website to ask if he still has the GPR data.

I want to look at it, and the samples as well, although, it being 25ish years after the study, depending on preservation techniques, I have doubts about sample integrity.

The location being used for artillery and bombing training, I wouldn't be surprised if the surface was disrupted enough to appear uniform, in its disruption...

I just want to look at it. If there is enough data, I'd like to model it.

I honestly doubt I will ever see it. I don't know if Krege has a gag order or what type of stuff is going on with him. I do know, the report isn't out.

The CSC study, in my opinion, shows much the same of what Krege claimed, insufficient grave space. (ie largely undisturbed ground)

The only pits located in the area proposed are g-50, g51, g52, g53 and g54. For the alleged >850,000 victims, they amount to a thimble, the dead wouldn't fit as a liquid.

Nessie claims more mass graves under the concrete and you claim more in the trees and under rocks, and anywhere else that either hasn't been checked or had a vegetation change. It is worth noting, 3 teams of witnesses made 3 separate maps from '45-'46, all 3 indicated 4 pits in roughly the location of the gpr returns labeled g51, g52, g53 and g54. In my opinion, that would be the extent of the grave space, if it were ever confirmed to actually hold human remains. Basically, if I were looking for mass graves at Treblinka II, I'd start my search where the witnesses indicated and where the GPR had returns. To me, those are clues, Shaggy.

Here again, you play your role of Johnny Appleseed. You put your seed out and see if it will take root and grow.

I trust HC blog about as far as I could throw Krema I, and that's not very far.

I just want to look at the data, such as it is.

[bombsaway]

I trust HC blog about as far as I could throw Krema I, and that's not very far.

I just want to look at the data, such as it is.

lol you can just look through Mattogno and Graf's books written on the Reinhardt camps 5-10 years later, they don't mention Krege.

there is a GPR scan http://www.whale.to/b/treb1.html


the AI says

Key Observations
Shallow Layering: From the surface down to about 2-3 meters, you can see somewhat horizontal but chaotic and discontinuous layers. This pattern is often indicative of disturbed ground, fill material, or natural soil horizons.

Significant Anomaly on the Right: The most prominent feature is on the right side of the scan. There are distinct, strong reflectors (the bright white and dark bands) that are steeply dipping or angled downwards from right to left. This is a clear anomaly because it disrupts the surrounding pattern. Possible interpretations for this feature include:

Dipping Bedrock: It could represent the surface of bedrock that is angled in this location.

A Buried Structure: This might be the edge of a foundation, a wall, a ramp, or the side of a trench.

A Geological Contact: It could be the boundary between two different types of soil or geological formations.

Potential Point Targets: Throughout the middle section of the scan, there are some faint, curved shapes (hyperbolas). In GPR data, these parabolic or hyperbolic shapes often indicate reflections from a point source, such as a pipe, cable, or large boulder.

In summary, the GPR scan reveals a complex subsurface. While the upper portion suggests disturbed or layered soil, the strong, angled feature on the right is a significant anomaly that warrants further investigation to determine its exact nature.

I'm not here to discourage anyone, the existing data should do that, and if it can't, then why bother? This is a nice narrative for you guys, if your case was stronger I believe I would be on your side.

[Stubble]

A gag order on Krege would preclude the use of his data. I haven't found one in the open record, so, perhaps it is sealed or there may be no gag order and perhaps he has personal reasons for not publishing. I haven't found anything about him having his jaw, nose and ribs broken, so, I don't think he quit over a beating, but, then again, I don't think the beating made the other guy quit, did it?

A bounty seems to give revisionists pause, David Cole eventually paid Ruben of the JDL off to take the bounty off his head, I believe he also had to leave revisionism if I'm not mistaken. At the time he thought he was with his 'forever girl' although, the flesh being weak, he's had a slew of women since and never produced any children.

I don't know why I can't see Krege's data Bombsaway, I do know that assuming Colls data is accurate, there is nothing to 'fear' from it. It is just data anyhow, it can't hurt anyone.



Maybe there should have been 4 people in this short film

[bombsaway]

It is just data anyhow, it can't hurt anyone.

By data I meant the combined body for evidence of the Holocaust, and all the circumstantial evidence, the archeological reports you say are lies, the absence of any testimony or documents about resettled Jews in the USSR, etc etc . If that doesn't convince you, I don't think I can. I think it's an identity you guys have, very unmalleable. It would take miracle.

[Stubble]

One thing that would move the needle would be showing me where they buried the population of Seattle at Treblinka II.

If they aren't in the dirt, the jews went where jews are.

Please do that in one of the Treblinka II threads though.

[bombsaway]

One thing that would move the needle would be showing me where they buried the population of Seattle at Treblinka II.

If they aren't in the dirt, the jews went where jews are.

Please do that in one of the Treblinka II threads though.

I did, I showed you the map. some of the graves indicated are in areas now forested

[Archie]

One thing that would move the needle would be showing me where they buried the population of Seattle at Treblinka II.

If they aren't in the dirt, the jews went where jews are.

Please do that in one of the Treblinka II threads though.

I did, I showed you the map. some of the graves indicated are in areas now forested

Why are you starting arguments in this part of the forum?

[Stubble]

As much as I don't want to let that post stand unopposed, I'm going to bite my tongue. I don't like to do that, because it hurts. I'd much prefer to talk about this in either of the Treblinka II threads Bombsaway abandoned.

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