Archaeological Evidence of Mass Graves at Treblinka II

[HansHill]

You have been repeatedly shown.....

750,000 bodies-as-bodies indicated on a map, go!

[Stubble]

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He is still claiming the tank trap, yea.

You are lying. Where is this "tank trap"? From the geophysical survey;

https://etheses.bham.ac.uk/id/eprint/35 ... s12PhD.pdf

Please indicate what feature inside TII, is the "tank trap".

He seems to concede the broken property disposal areas.

That was never a concession. Smaller pits located outwith the main grave areas, are most likely where property was buried.

I can't readily identify one of the pits he is claiming, it is the one on the other side of the monument from 4 pits I suppose to be mass burial pits, directly across the monument from the tank trap. G36 [#15/100]

G36 is described as "Similarly, to the west of the memorial in this area a further feature was identified
that was also bisected by the concrete (G36). This feature was shown to be
rectilinear in plan within the GPR results and is located in the area believed to have
contained graves and, as noted by many witnesses, the cremation pyres"

It is located in the area identified by witnesses as containing graves, but it is closer to the central area where the gas chambers and pyres were located, so it is uncertain if it is a grave pit.

G50-54, shown here;



"Five pits were located with the GPR (G50-G54) on the eastern side of the Death
Camp (Figures 4.29 and 4.34). Although the GPR survey was unable to achieve a large
enough depth range to determine the full extent of these pits, it is possible to say
that they were all deeper than four metres and that they were all of considerable
size in plan (G50 was visible to an extent of 34m x 12m, G51-19m x 12m, G52 – 22m
x c.15m, G53 – c.18m x 7m and G54 was visible to 20.8m x c. 14m)."

That is a volume of 5,533m3, or over 2 Olympic sized swimming pools. That is the volume of grave space just it that small sliver of land between the main memorial and the trees. If the rest of the area could be surveyed, and it had the same density of pits, that would increase the grave volume by at least 4 times, so there would now be about 9 Olympic sized swimming pools worth of grave space in that area.

Thus, I have proven that large pits were dug at TII and there is space for the mass graves described by the eyewitnesses. You cannot counter me with any evidence, to prove what you highlight, is the limit for mass graves at the camp.

Seems like less than 6 hectares Nessie. Even if you include the tank trap. G50

I'll go get you a source for the tank trap. If I recall correctly, both Hilberg and Arad describe it and cite sources. If I recall correctly, it is described in a different orientation, but, the location is correct.

You asked for an estimate of grave capacity I think is there. Assuming a circle with a diameter of 20m and a depth of 7m, and assuming a density of 5 corpses per cubic meter, roughly 11,000. With 10 bodies per cubic meter, 22,000. I estimate somewhere between these figures, which is a lot of corpses. (This applies to g51, g52, g53 and g54 for a total of 44,000-88,000 ~10% of the claimed death toll) Before anyone mentions 10 bodies per meter is absolutely ridiculous, consider, I'm being as forgiving as possible and I'm using the 'only possible with German methods' calculus. (No one will ever drop a shovel in the dirt there to confirm or refute this, so we will never know. From now on however, I'm going to go with the 0 legally proven mass graves, and it is important for everyone to remember, I am alleging these numbers are possible, I am not asserting they are present. If I were to conduct a study, and were to count bodies, this is where I would drop my shovel in the dirt)

You mention skulls being found with no bullet hole in them. I posit those skulls are from the hospital grave, not from these graves. I further mentioned that if the corpses were 'Aktion 1005'd', as according to legend, and crushed with a ball mill, or mallets and tin, which is used as the reason that no bodies have been found, although, as we have been over, Soviet and Polish reports indicate at least parts of bodies, then there would be no skulls. So, already, we have the story being a lie. Either the aktion 1005 story, or the Polish and Soviet reports.

You ask for proof that these pits are the extent of the alleged mass graves. I point to the maps again and I highlight that the 4 pits correspond both in placement and in size to the alleged pits from 1945. Either that is an incredible coincidence, and you can just insert mass graves in whatever size and quantity you want because, well, they really just meant that there were mass graves in that rough area, or, the mass graves indicated on the map and indicated with GPR returns are in fact in place and of scale indicated because that is indeed what witnesses saw.

You can't just say there is grave space everywhere that hasn't been surveyed because the bodies don't fit in the holes Nessie. You need to evidence more holes. Those 4 holes, are evidenced, even if they have not been proven. Evidence indicates there may be bodies in them. Tens of thousands of them. What remains is to prove them, which will never be done, because then the scale of the shoah at Treblinka II would reflect roughly 10% of the allegation.

(A personal opinion, to cry over these dead terrorists, these partisans, these ghetto fighters, this is something jewish culture should do. They should venerate their 'heros' as what they were however. Insurgents, assassins and terrorists. Personally, I will lose no sleep over how they their end, the acts perpetrated by the people who fill those holes while mostly suppressed by history, are sometimes described, in graphic detail, and celebrated by people who murder babies in their sleep. The long tradition of terrorism is alive and well)

[Nessie]

You have been repeatedly shown.....

750,000 bodies-as-bodies indicated on a map, go!

The main area where the bodies were buried, is the black area II on this 1945 survey map;

http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/pic/bmap14.jpg

It is the south-eastern part of the camp. That area corresponds to the area to the bottom right of this aerial photo, that has an overlay of the 2011 survey finds;



The aerial photo shows disturbed ground in that south-eastern part of the camp, with its irregular shading. The yellow are the pits GPR located in between the tress and the memorial, which shows how much of the area was dug up to make the pits.

The yellow pits located to the bottom right, or south-western part of the camp, correspond to the Lazarete, which contained mass graves as well as rubbish pits.

The camp was 17 hectares, so the southern part of the camp that contained the mass graves, is in an area of about 8 hectares.

The evidence to prove that the pits contain human remains comes from eyewitnesses, the 1945 survey excavations and photos, and the walk over survey finds of cremated remains in 2011.