Aktion 1005 Was Not To Destroy Remains?

[Nessie]

I can accuse you of anything if you can't prove it happened. There's no point in me wanting to exterminate my hometown of 26,000 inhabitants and going around saying I didn't if I didn't have the materials to do it. The Nazis didn't have these implements and therefore didn't do it; it's very simple. There's no point in claiming we have no record of wood or coal being delivered and it happened anyway, or with your lame excuses; that only passes muster in exceptional courts.

There is evidence to prove the Nazis mass cremated corpses on pyres. It does not matter that you do not think they had the "implements" to do it. Your opinion is not evidence.

[TlsMS93]

There is evidence to prove the Nazis mass cremated corpses on pyres. It does not matter that you do not think they had the "implements" to do it. Your opinion is not evidence.

It's not an opinion, it's facts, they didn't have the capacity to cremate even a tenth of the alleged number, you as a Jew are on your own behalf, it's in the interest of your race to look after this and it's perfectly normal, just as it's normal for Russians to think that WWII was the Great Patriotic War, I shouldn't even be debating with someone like that since culturally I grew up with this, it's the same as me being born in a Christian culture wanting to teach something to Eastern culture about anything.

[Nessie]

There is evidence to prove the Nazis mass cremated corpses on pyres. It does not matter that you do not think they had the "implements" to do it. Your opinion is not evidence.

It's not an opinion, it's facts, they didn't have the capacity to cremate even a tenth of the alleged number, you as a Jew are on your own behalf, it's in the interest of your race to look after this and it's perfectly normal, just as it's normal for Russians to think that WWII was the Great Patriotic War, I shouldn't even be debating with someone like that since culturally I grew up with this, it's the same as me being born in a Christian culture wanting to teach something to Eastern culture about anything.

No, it is your opinion that the Nazis could not work out how to cremate exhumed corpses on pyres. Your incredulity is not evidence to prove mass cremations did not happen.

Aktion 1005 is proven to have taken place, because of the evidence from eyewitnesses, the physical remains of cremated corpses and the circumstantial evidence around the Nazis wanting to cover-up the mass murders.

[TlsMS93]

No, it is your opinion that the Nazis could not work out how to cremate exhumed corpses on pyres. Your incredulity is not evidence to prove mass cremations did not happen.

Aktion 1005 is proven to have taken place, because of the evidence from eyewitnesses, the physical remains of cremated corpses and the circumstantial evidence around the Nazis wanting to cover-up the mass murders.

Your authority here is worthless. You contribute absolutely nothing useful here, only moldy circular reasoning. You should be grateful. In other contexts, you would have already been kicked out, but we tolerate it due to your inability to provide us with anything that truly challenges our claims. In fact, you refuse to address the core issue, hoping that hammering out circular excuses will lead somewhere. Geez, is this the only exterminationist here? The forum is taking it too far.

[AreYouSirius]

The difference between historians and so-called revisionists, is that historians accept the evidence that the Nazis were able to build and operate gas chambers that killed millions, whereas so-called revisionists do not accept that evidence and claim it cannot have happened, because they cannot work out how it was possible.

No, gas chambers are a very peculiar and modern method of mass murder, unprecedented in literature, except for some who argue that Napoleon used ship decks to crush resistance groups in Haiti, but even this is debated, even on a smaller scale.

I focus on the impossibility of the extermination bottleneck that this would require—obedient victims behaving like wax figures or canned sardines—and the limited cremation process. And the documents prove this bottleneck and this inefficiency.

Just because you cannot work how it was done, does not evidence it was not done.

Here’s the rub: neither can you.

You cannot work out how it was done.

There are physical, logistical, and archeological impossibilities and incongruences you cannot surmount.

You have attempted.

You have failed.

When pressed: you perform insufferable, rote, and canned deflections like your bizarre rhetorical maneuver of always attempting to shift the burden of proof.

[Nessie]

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Just because you cannot work how it was done, does not evidence it was not done.

Here’s the rub: neither can you.

You cannot work out how it was done.

There are physical, logistical, and archeological impossibilities and incongruences you cannot surmount.

You have attempted.

You have failed.

When pressed: you perform insufferable, rote, and canned deflections like your bizarre rhetorical maneuver of always attempting to shift the burden of proof.

You are wrong, in three ways.

1 - say I cannot work out how it was done either, how would that evidence it did not happen? It wouldn't. There are lots of things you and I do not know how they worked, but that is not evidence to prove they do not exist. Just because you cannot work out how the Nazis exhumed and cremated mass graves, does not mean therefore they did not.

2 - I can work out how it was done, just not to your satisfaction. The Nazis used slave labourers to exhume the bodies. They then worked out an efficient way to cremate the corpses, after some failed experiments. They found that piling corpses on a grate above wood, setting the wood alight and then letting the fire spread amongst the corpses worked. It was like having an unattended BBQ, that sets fire to the meat on the grill. They would have no issue sourcing wood from the huge eastern European forests and the many wood yards. There was an example of a pyre found at Ohrdruf camp. It was not that big, yet the heat it generated was enough to bend the rails. The cremations were not necessarily to ash, as there is a report of a rendering machine being sent to Belzec. Each part of the process I describe, is evidenced to have happened.

3 - when you claim I am reversing the burden of proof, you are deflecting from my request that you prove there were no mass graves and pyres. You can evidence that, with eyewitnesses who say they worked at an AR camp and it had no mass graves or pyres. Or, an archaeological survey that finds undisturbed ground at the location of an alleged mass grave and pyre. You know you have no evidence, you cannot do that, so you dodge by suggesting I am shifting the burden of proof, when it is me who provides the evidence, not you!