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Fred Ziffel wrote: Sun Jun 08, 2025 12:10 am Here is what I found in regard to this even of no GCs at Majdanek
Yes, this is the same excerpt from the 1950 Berlin court ruling that is linked above. The original German text also states that there were apparently no gas chambers in Majdanek. Apparently, the narrative was changed at some point between the Berlin and Dusseldorf trials.

It is not surprising, since in the 1950s, instead of the current idea of ​​death camps in Poland, there was another: that all camps, including those in Germany and Austria, were death camps. Under such conditions, it was possible to afford a "non-gas" Majdanek. Everything changed after Martin Broschat's statement in 1960, so the first mentions of a GC in Majdanek probably date back to the period between 1960 and 1981.
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InuYasha wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 11:29 am
Booze wrote: Thu Jun 05, 2025 8:58 pm InuYasha please give your source
The documents themselves from the Düsseldorf regional courts and the ruling of June 30, 1981 can be found on a German legal website, it should be on one of the pages there:
https://dejure.org/dienste/vernetzung/r ... 0Ks%201/75

The exact mention that there were no gas chambers in Majdanek is contained in point 6 of the indictment of Berlin land court (1950, during first Sobibor trial):
https://junsv.nl/seiten?tx_junsv_pi2%5B ... ca6fbbad6d

The original definition states:
"6. Transport aus Maidanek.

Einmal kam ein Transport jüdischer Häftlinge in einer Stärke von ungefähr 15000 Mann aus dem Lager Maidanek, das keine Vergasungsanlage besass, zum Vergasen an.".

It can be translated as:
"6. Transport from Maidanek.

On one occasion, a transport of Jewish prisoners, approximately 15,000 strong, arrived from the Maidanek camp, which had no gassing facility, to be gassed."

It turns out that, according to the original version, there were no gas chambers in Majdanek.

At what point did the Zionists and exterminationists include the gassings in Majdanek in the Holocaust narrative?
Thx
What I'm asking is what source (book or other) led you to this or is this your original research?
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Re: Majdanek this and that

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Booze wrote: Sun Jun 08, 2025 8:54 am
InuYasha wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 11:29 am
Booze wrote: Thu Jun 05, 2025 8:58 pm InuYasha please give your source
The documents themselves from the Düsseldorf regional courts and the ruling of June 30, 1981 can be found on a German legal website, it should be on one of the pages there:
https://dejure.org/dienste/vernetzung/r ... 0Ks%201/75

The exact mention that there were no gas chambers in Majdanek is contained in point 6 of the indictment of Berlin land court (1950, during first Sobibor trial):
https://junsv.nl/seiten?tx_junsv_pi2%5B ... ca6fbbad6d

The original definition states:
"6. Transport aus Maidanek.

Einmal kam ein Transport jüdischer Häftlinge in einer Stärke von ungefähr 15000 Mann aus dem Lager Maidanek, das keine Vergasungsanlage besass, zum Vergasen an.".

It can be translated as:
"6. Transport from Maidanek.

On one occasion, a transport of Jewish prisoners, approximately 15,000 strong, arrived from the Maidanek camp, which had no gassing facility, to be gassed."

It turns out that, according to the original version, there were no gas chambers in Majdanek.

At what point did the Zionists and exterminationists include the gassings in Majdanek in the Holocaust narrative?
Thx
What I'm asking is what source (book or other) led you to this or is this your original research?
I first saw this information in a book about Sobibor by Jurgen Graf, Thomas Kues and Carlo Mattogno. Later I became interested in such an obvious contradiction in the whole "great hoax" and decided to find archival documents of German courts in order to refer to the conclusions of the "prosecutors" themselves, and not to the revisionists, since the exterminationists can say that the information was taken selectively by the revisionists. As I expected, the German courts actually admitted in 1950 that de facto there were no gas chambers in Majdanek.
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InuYasha wrote: Sun Jun 08, 2025 11:12 am I first saw this information in a book about Sobibor by Jurgen Graf, Thomas Kues and Carlo Mattogno. Later I became interested in such an obvious contradiction in the whole "great hoax" and decided to find archival documents of German courts in order to refer to the conclusions of the "prosecutors" themselves, and not to the revisionists, since the exterminationists can say that the information was taken selectively by the revisionists. As I expected, the German courts actually admitted in 1950 that de facto there were no gas chambers in Majdanek.
Thx for your reply, I had a curiosity about how that came about.
Ideally the document itself and an accompanying translation would be included in their book or in German Rudolph's Holocaust Encyclopedia.
I say that because I do agree that exterminations will just simply claim it to be false, and I do agree that it can provide a very powerful argument for revisionists.
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Here is an article of the open house at the Majdanek newer cremation facility just after liberation. Quite a turnout.

Remember: The museum on their own website state gassings ended in early Sept 1943, and this facility did not go into service until January 1944
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This looks pretty staged for show and tell to me,
I do not doubt those are human remains, note how the remains cleanly upward and inwards in the first photo
The ovens would not be able to operate with remains shoveled in there like this and with this quantity
Urns for mass gas'n burn?
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Do you think that a body in this location in the cremation facility would burn that much in a building fire fueled by wood only?
I speculate that the Soviets set the fire to the cremation facility for propaganda reasons
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The following is just a minor subject. However, it demonstrates just how slimy these museums can be when selling the extermination narrative.

Location of photos for reference:
(Majdanek B43 north wall, extreme right, in the corner)

The side-by-side photo depicting a then and a fairly recent now scene. The photo on the left is the building that was a camp hospital for inmates in 1944 as indicated by the sign I circled for your ease of finding. The photo on the left is the same building taken in 2015. I circled the same window.

If you were someone that believed in the Holobunga and took a tour of the camp, and saw that building, you would never know the role of that building when the Germans occupied Majdanek. Most likely, you would not give that building a second look. No shame in that even for those here who know a little something about this camp.

If I were to say to a believer of the Holobunga or show them the building without the sign, that the Germans tried to take care of inmates in this building since it was a hospital, The believer may say… “A hospital in a “Death Camp?” “You are off your rocker!!” I would be called a Holocaust Denier or a Nazi to have the gall to state such things?

It is rather sick that the museum does not label that building as a hospital to give an accurate narrative of what was going on inside this camp and in this building. If the old sign wore out, they could replace it with a new replica. They intentionally elect not to. Perhaps if someone saw this sign on the building, would they begin to have unpure thoughts of why a would there be a hospital in a death camp? It took me a few years looking at photos to finally realize this tidbit.

Same reason the Majdanek Museum does not state anywhere the new cremation facility did not go into service until January 1944, and that gassings at this camp stopped in early September 1943. They seemly let the visitor see the gas chambers first to condition their emotional state and then bring the conditioning to a climax with the combination of gas chambers and crematoria in the tour.

I estimate that 99.9999% of the visitors to Majdanek even if they saw the red cross sign on the building in question, would think nothing of it and continue with their sorrow tour.
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Fred Ziffel wrote: Tue Jul 08, 2025 4:39 am The following is just a minor subject. However, it demonstrates just how slimy these museums can be when selling the extermination narrative.

Location of photos for reference:
(Majdanek B43 north wall, extreme right, in the corner)

The side-by-side photo depicting a then and a fairly recent now scene. The photo on the left is the building that was a camp hospital for inmates in 1944 as indicated by the sign I circled for your ease of finding. The photo on the left is the same building taken in 2015. I circled the same window.

If you were someone that believed in the Holobunga and took a tour of the camp, and saw that building, you would never know the role of that building when the Germans occupied Majdanek. Most likely, you would not give that building a second look. No shame in that even for those here who know a little something about this camp.

If I were to say to a believer of the Holobunga or show them the building without the sign, that the Germans tried to take care of inmates in this building since it was a hospital, The believer may say… “A hospital in a “Death Camp?” “You are off your rocker!!” I would be called a Holocaust Denier or a Nazi to have the gall to state such things?

It is rather sick that the museum does not label that building as a hospital to give an accurate narrative of what was going on inside this camp and in this building. If the old sign wore out, they could replace it with a new replica. They intentionally elect not to. Perhaps if someone saw this sign on the building, would they begin to have unpure thoughts of why a would there be a hospital in a death camp? It took me a few years looking at photos to finally realize this tidbit.

Same reason the Majdanek Museum does not state anywhere the new cremation facility did not go into service until January 1944, and that gassings at this camp stopped in early September 1943. They seemly let the visitor see the gas chambers first to condition their emotional state and then bring the conditioning to a climax with the combination of gas chambers and crematoria in the tour.

I estimate that 99.9999% of the visitors to Majdanek even if they saw the red cross sign on the building in question, would think nothing of it and continue with their sorrow tour.
Excellent!

Thanks for this. :)
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