Archaeological Evidence of Mass Graves at Treblinka II

[HansHill]

He found no mass graves

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[joshk246]

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Six pits, found round the edge of the main memorial, in the area of the camp where witnesses stated the main mass graves were located. Only someone who does not want to believe, ignores that corroborating evidence.

The largest pit found by Colls wouldn't accommodate even 50,000 corpses, this is even if we generously assume Rajchman's estimate of them being 6m deep is correct.

Why were excavators digging at TII and what did the Nazis bury there? Please answer with evidence.

There are photos from the site, showing grave robbers with skulls and then skulls found when the memorial was built.

They found them in a forest near TI,

No the grave robber and memorial photos are at TII.

even Łukaszkiewicz omits about TII:

“During the work on the terrain, I found no mass graves, which, in connection with the statements by the witnesses Romanowski and Wiernik, leads to the conclusion that nearly all of the bodies of the victims were burned, all the more so since the camp was liquidated early and the murderers had much time. The ground of the camp was ploughed and sown. Ukrainians were settled there; they fled before the arrival of the Red Army (witnesses Kucharek and Lopuszyński).”

He found no mass graves full of corpses, which corroborated witness claims that the corpses had been cremated.

Why were excavators digging at TII and what did the Nazis bury there? Please answer with evidence.

They weren't, like I said, they were at TI. I suppose you're referring to the photo Arad captions as being in TII. What evidence is there to show that?

He found no mass graves full of corpses, which corroborated witness claims that the corpses had been cremated.

So where did the polish grave robbers find the skulls then...

[joshk246]

He found no mass graves

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Lmao

[Nessie]

He found no mass graves

Read the title of this thread
Now read what you wrote
Now re-read the title of this thread
Now re-read what you wrote

Your logical fallacy, this time, is called quote mining.

[Nessie]

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Why were excavators digging at TII and what did the Nazis bury there? Please answer with evidence.

They weren't, like I said, they were at TI. I suppose you're referring to the photo Arad captions as being in TII. What evidence is there to show that?

The evidence of the use of excavators at TII, comes from Polish rail workers, Nazi and Jewish TII camp staff and the Kurt Franz photos.

What were they doing there?

He found no mass graves full of corpses, which corroborated witness claims that the corpses had been cremated.

So where did the polish grave robbers find the skulls then...

Buried at TII, evidence that not all the corpses were cremated.

[joshk246]

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Why were excavators digging at TII and what did the Nazis bury there? Please answer with evidence.

They weren't, like I said, they were at TI. I suppose you're referring to the photo Arad captions as being in TII. What evidence is there to show that?

The evidence of the use of excavators at TII, comes from Polish rail workers, Nazi and Jewish TII camp staff and the Kurt Franz photos.

What were they doing there?

He found no mass graves full of corpses, which corroborated witness claims that the corpses had been cremated.

So where did the polish grave robbers find the skulls then...

Buried at TII, evidence that not all the corpses were cremated.

The evidence of the use of excavators at TII, comes from Polish rail workers, Nazi and Jewish TII camp staff and the Kurt Franz photos.

What were they doing there?

I haven't seen any evidence to prove they were at TII, no delivery orders. In only in one photo can we see a building in the background, in other photos they're moving mounds.

Buried at TII, evidence that not all the corpses were cremated.

So there should be mass graves with corpses inside TII, there aren't.

[Nessie]

They weren't, like I said, they were at TI. I suppose you're referring to the photo Arad captions as being in TII. What evidence is there to show that?

The evidence of the use of excavators at TII, comes from Polish rail workers, Nazi and Jewish TII camp staff and the Kurt Franz photos.

What were they doing there?

So where did the polish grave robbers find the skulls then...

Buried at TII, evidence that not all the corpses were cremated.

You are being a typical Holocaust denier. You think it is OK to deny the evidence of mass graves at TII and fail to produce any evidence that there are no mass graves there. That is like me denying the evidence the British bombed Dresden and failing to evidence it was untouched by bombs in 1945. That is not how a historical event is normally investigated.

The evidence of the use of excavators at TII, comes from Polish rail workers, Nazi and Jewish TII camp staff and the Kurt Franz photos.

What were they doing there?

I haven't seen any evidence to prove they were at TII, no delivery orders. In only in one photo can we see a building in the background, in other photos they're moving mounds.

Buried at TII, evidence that not all the corpses were cremated.

So there should be mass graves with corpses inside TII, there aren't.

[joshk246]

The evidence of the use of excavators at TII, comes from Polish rail workers, Nazi and Jewish TII camp staff and the Kurt Franz photos.

What were they doing there?



Buried at TII, evidence that not all the corpses were cremated.

You are being a typical Holocaust denier. You think it is OK to deny the evidence of mass graves at TII and fail to produce any evidence that there are no mass graves there. That is like me denying the evidence the British bombed Dresden and failing to evidence it was untouched by bombs in 1945. That is not how a historical event is normally investigated.

The evidence of the use of excavators at TII, comes from Polish rail workers, Nazi and Jewish TII camp staff and the Kurt Franz photos.

What were they doing there?

I haven't seen any evidence to prove they were at TII, no delivery orders. In only in one photo can we see a building in the background, in other photos they're moving mounds.

Buried at TII, evidence that not all the corpses were cremated.

So there should be mass graves with corpses inside TII, there aren't.

You are being a typical Holocaust denier. You think it is OK to deny the evidence of mass graves at TII and fail to produce any evidence that there are no mass graves there. That is like me denying the evidence the British bombed Dresden and failing to evidence it was untouched by bombs in 1945. That is not how a historical event is normally investigated.

Nessie, just show me a mass grave at TII then, surely it can't be this difficult. We have footage of the RAF bombing Dresden, they literally recorded them fire-bombing the city .
You have no evidence of *mass graves* at TII, or else you'd send it.

You are being a typical Holocaust denier.

Well...duh, I do deny "The Holocaust", not so sure what's typical about us, I could shoot that same critique right back at you as being a "typical affirmer".

[Nessie]

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Nessie, just show me a mass grave at TII then, surely it can't be this difficult. We have footage of the RAF bombing Dresden, they literally recorded them fire-bombing the city .
You have no evidence of *mass graves* at TII, or else you'd send it.

There are links to the 1944 aerial photo, that show the areas where the mass graves were located and rectangular outlines and the 2011 report that has the geophysical imagery of the pits found around the memorial, for you to see.

The history of the camp is that you cannot be shown a mass grave, as you can at Katyn, because the Nazis saw what happened with Katyn and so they exhumed the corpses and cremated most of them. By 1945, grave robbing had further disturbed the site;



http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/lasttracks.html

You are being a typical Holocaust denier.

Well...duh, I do deny "The Holocaust", not so sure what's typical about us, I could shoot that same critique right back at you as being a "typical affirmer".

I am happy to be that, as it means I follow what is evidenced to have happened, unlike you.

[joshk246]

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Nessie, just show me a mass grave at TII then, surely it can't be this difficult. We have footage of the RAF bombing Dresden, they literally recorded them fire-bombing the city .
You have no evidence of *mass graves* at TII, or else you'd send it.

There are links to the 1944 aerial photo, that show the areas where the mass graves were located and rectangular outlines and the 2011 report that has the geophysical imagery of the pits found around the memorial, for you to see.

The history of the camp is that you cannot be shown a mass grave, as you can at Katyn, because the Nazis saw what happened with Katyn and so they exhumed the corpses and cremated most of them. By 1945, grave robbing had further disturbed the site;



http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/lasttracks.html

You are being a typical Holocaust denier.

Well...duh, I do deny "The Holocaust", not so sure what's typical about us, I could shoot that same critique right back at you as being a "typical affirmer".

I am happy to be that, as it means I follow what is evidenced to have happened, unlike you.

By 1945, grave robbing had further disturbed the site;

smh... how many times do we have to keep going back over this, those graves they robbed were not at TII they were in a forest near TI.

Łukaszkiewicz on the TII findings:
“During the work on the terrain, I found no mass graves, which, in connection with the statements by the witnesses Romanowski and Wiernik, leads to the conclusion that nearly all of the bodies of the victims were burned, all the more so since the camp was liquidated early and the murderers had much time. The ground of the camp was ploughed and sown. Ukrainians were settled there; they fled before the arrival of the Red Army (witnesses Kucharek and Lopuszyński).”

The surveyor Trautsolt drew a map of the area of Treblinka I, where he indicated the exact position of the graves.
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Łukaszkiewicz on the TII findings:
“During the work on the terrain, I found no mass graves, which, in connection with the statements by the witnesses Romanowski and Wiernik, leads to the conclusion that nearly all of the bodies of the victims were burned, all the more so since the camp was liquidated early and the murderers had much time. The ground of the camp was ploughed and sown. Ukrainians were settled there; they fled before the arrival of the Red Army (witnesses Kucharek and Lopuszyński).”

What do you make of Łukaszkiewicz's statement here? You are being quite selective in your analysis. The statement above reinforces to some degree his findings below, because it shows some level of objectivity in his evaluations.

In the northwestern section of the area, the surface is covered for about 2 hectares by a mixture of ashes and sand. In this mixture, one finds countless human bones, often still covered with tissue remains, which are in a condition of decomposition. During the inspection, which I made with the assistance of an expert in forensic medicine, it was determined that the ashes are without any doubt of human origin (remains of cremated human bones). The examination of human skulls could discover no trace of« wounding. At a distance of some 100 m, there is now an unpleasant odor of burning and decay

[joshk246]

Łukaszkiewicz on the TII findings:
“During the work on the terrain, I found no mass graves, which, in connection with the statements by the witnesses Romanowski and Wiernik, leads to the conclusion that nearly all of the bodies of the victims were burned, all the more so since the camp was liquidated early and the murderers had much time. The ground of the camp was ploughed and sown. Ukrainians were settled there; they fled before the arrival of the Red Army (witnesses Kucharek and Lopuszyński).”

What do you make of Łukaszkiewicz's statement here? You are being quite selective in your analysis. The statement above reinforces to some degree his findings below, because it shows some level of objectivity in his evaluations.

In the northwestern section of the area, the surface is covered for about 2 hectares by a mixture of ashes and sand. In this mixture, one finds countless human bones, often still covered with tissue remains, which are in a condition of decomposition. During the inspection, which I made with the assistance of an expert in forensic medicine, it was determined that the ashes are without any doubt of human origin (remains of cremated human bones). The examination of human skulls could discover no trace of« wounding. At a distance of some 100 m, there is now an unpleasant odor of burning and decay

What do you make of Łukaszkiewicz's statement here? You are being quite selective in your analysis. The statement above reinforces to some degree his findings below, because it shows some level of objectivity in his evaluations.

I think extrapolating what they claim to have found into 700,000 victims is preposterous.

One can only picture it if you believe you can fit 12,000 metric tonnes of just human ash, + then whatever its being mixed in with(sand, mud), into 6 pits, where the biggest uncovered goes only 6 metres deep(generous), 26 metres long and 17 metres wide. Oh, and you've also got to believe that ghost-trains loaded with metric tonnes of perfectly seasoned wood came by everyday to drop off and unload it somehow, or maybe you believe in the probably even more ridiculous theory of the Holzfällerkommando.

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I think extrapolating what they claim to have found into 700,000 victims is preposterous.

One can only picture it if you believe you can fit 12,000 metric tonnes of just human ash, + then whatever its being mixed in with(sand, mud), into 6 pits, where the biggest uncovered being goes 6 metres deep(generous), 26 metres long and 17 metres wide. Oh, and you've also got to believe that ghost-trains loaded with metric tonnes of perfectly seasoned wood came by everyday to drop off and unload it somehow, or maybe you believe in the probably even more ridiculous theory of the Holzfällerkommando.

There's no need to extrapolate, we don't know if all the ash was deposited in the 2 hectare area. That's a large area btw, doesn't raise any eyebrows for you, not even one? Pretty convenient coincidence for Holocaust believers I would say.

I'm not sure how you are coming to your maximum of grave space for this area, or deciding it's a maximum, or whatever. Meanwhile there was an area the size of 5 american football fields covered in crushed bones mixed with sand. Do you have an explanation for this?

[Stubble]

Point to 2 hectares of grave space on the map Bombsaway. Then, compare that to the GPR/LIDAR and tell me if the grave space you propose reflects being disturbed...

You've got three and a half Olympic swimming pools of space for twice the population of Liverpool...