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Stubble wrote: Sat Jun 28, 2025 7:27 pm The Olympic swimming pools of treblinka that don't exist, but, could, if the entire space were a grave site, which it isn't, but, when pressed you say it is, and also not Nessie, those swimming pools...
I used Olympic swimming pools as an analogy, as it is commonly understood, to show just how large the area of TII is, that has the disturbed ground found by the Poles in 1945 and where the main memorial was built and still in 2011, geophysics located large pits.

You got confused and thought I meant the entire 2 hectares, up to 7m deep was one massive grave! :lol: I clarified for you that it was the area in which the main graves were located, of which the 2011 survey found 6 round the edge of the memorial.

You hate being confronted with archaeological and forensic evidence to prove a large volume of ground was dug up and contains cremated human remains.

If you want to prove there were no mass graves, you need EVIDENCE, such as;

- an eyewitness who worked inside the camp, who was in the area Lager 1 and who states that no mass graves were dug there.
- geophysical or archaeological evidence from that area, that proves the ground is undisturbed.
- documentary evidence of mass transports of hundreds of thousands of people back out of the camp.

You have none of that, so you fail.
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Prove the ground is undisturbed, it has never been dug into, in the areas shown yellow, on this plan of TII.

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Nessie wrote: Sun Jun 29, 2025 8:33 am You hate being confronted with archaeological and forensic evidence to prove a large volume of ground was dug up and contains cremated human remains.
Nessie:

A - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; Non-nefarious diggings for such things as garbage pits, cellars, wells, latrines, etc. - were dug at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II - ??

Keen’s answer: True.
Nessie’s answer: ??

L - Can you conclusively prove that archaeologists / forensic investigators have actually located / proven the existence of mass graves at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Keen’s answer: No.
Nessie’s answer: ??

Look at the lying coward run away from the simple questions!
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Nessie, what is the alleged grave capacity at Treblinka II expressed in cubic meters?

Is it 56 Olympic swimming pools worth?

You made that claim and I called out your bullshit, now you are trying to say I got confused, which you also tried in the thread.

You got caught in a lie, and you bald face lie here in this thread as well.
were to guess why no t4 personnel were chosen to perform gassing that had experience with gassing, it would be because THERE WERE NONE.
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Stubble wrote: Sun Jun 29, 2025 1:34 pm Nessie, what is the alleged grave capacity at Treblinka II expressed in cubic meters?

Is it 56 Olympic swimming pools worth?

You made that claim and I called out your bullshit, now you are trying to say I got confused, which you also tried in the thread.

You got caught in a lie, and you bald face lie here in this thread as well.
I said the area the Poles identified in 1945, as 2 hectares, up to 7m deep is the equivalent to 56 Olympic sized swimming pools. WITHIN that area, are the main mass graves. The approximate total size of the 6 pits the 2011 survey found around the edge of the memorial, that is WITHIN the area identified by the Poles, is the equivalent to 3.5 Olympic sized swimming pools.
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3, point 5? No. At no point did you ever say 3.5...

You may have said 35, let me go check.

You said 56 Olympic swimming pools Nessie...

https://www.codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=397&start=60
were to guess why no t4 personnel were chosen to perform gassing that had experience with gassing, it would be because THERE WERE NONE.
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Stubble wrote: Sun Jun 29, 2025 4:37 pm 3, point 5? No. At no point did you ever say 3.5...

You may have said 35, let me go check.

You said 56 Olympic swimming pools Nessie...

https://www.codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=397&start=60
Whilst you are doing that, how about you provide evidence that the areas shaded yellow, on this map of TII, are of undisturbed ground that has never been excavated?

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Why don't you tout the CSC gpr and lidar data Nessie? Go ahead, link me the CSC study again.

While you are at it, tell me how you fit twice the population of liverpool in 3.5 swimming pools. They don't even fit as a liquid Nessie.

Your alleged victims exceed the volume of the alleged grave space by a factor of many times.
were to guess why no t4 personnel were chosen to perform gassing that had experience with gassing, it would be because THERE WERE NONE.
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Stubble wrote: Sun Jun 29, 2025 4:54 pm Why don't you tout the CSC gpr and lidar data Nessie? Go ahead, link me the CSC study again.
https://etheses.bham.ac.uk/id/eprint/35 ... s12PhD.pdf
While you are at it, tell me how you fit twice the population of liverpool in 3.5 swimming pools. They don't even fit as a liquid Nessie.

Your alleged victims exceed the volume of the alleged grave space by a factor of many times.
That 3.5, is a rough estimate of the 6 pits around the memorial. It does include pits that ended up under the main memorial, or in the Lazarette where the smaller memorial is located.

What did the Nazis need at least 3.5 Olympic sized swimming pools for, at TII? What were they burying there? Show evidence with your answer.
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Move your question to the appropriate thread Nessie.
were to guess why no t4 personnel were chosen to perform gassing that had experience with gassing, it would be because THERE WERE NONE.
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Stubble wrote: Sun Jun 29, 2025 6:07 pm Move your question to the appropriate thread Nessie.
This is the appropriate thread, a debate about whether there are mass graves at TII or not. You are Keen's substitute, because he is discounted due to his refusal to debate (he just wants to ask questions) and his abuse. So, show me geophysical, or other archaeological evidence, the yellow areas are undisturbed ground. If you have none, just say so and concede you cannot prove undisturbed ground.
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This is the appropriate thread Nessie. Well, one of them anyway, there is also my murder mill treblinka thread.

If I were a mod, I would merge the threads, although, they may be different enough to stand alone.

https://www.codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=397&start=90

This thread is for you and for Keen.

I'm going to grab my popcorn and get back to observing it. I just wanted to expose this particular with the swimming pools to some disinfectant in this thread, some sunlight as it were. To highlight your dishonesty about it.

You did not disappoint.

We have moved from your dismissal of it to your deflection from it, which is fine, but, I'd ask you to move the deflection bit of wriggling and your eventual denial of having said it to the appropriate thread.

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were to guess why no t4 personnel were chosen to perform gassing that had experience with gassing, it would be because THERE WERE NONE.
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The debate and is over. This is the level of debate and deflection and cul de sac building you get from these feckless scoundrels. Game over, debate done, time for bed.
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