The "Holocaust" and creation of Israel

[InuYasha]

(((They))) had never had the perfect opportunity to gain their own ethno state like they got after Hitler and the Nuremberg laws and then the european second war. All of this added up to the perfect storm for them inside which to create their claimed genocide and 6m deaths.

The stage was set, the curtains went up et voila! israel was born. All they now needed was to clear the land of the real inhabitants and for that they took the long game which we see concluding in Gaza at this time.

Rather, the events of World War II, which were unfortunate for the Axis powers, created a unique opportunity for the Zionist leadership.

If what is happening in Palestine is a cleansing, then it has largely failed, in the sense that in 77 years the Arab population has not been displaced (and is unlikely to be displaced ever).

This statement is so far away from the reality of the facts that is either:
a.) delusional denial;
or
b.) deliberate zionist deception.

Now the question is, what will the Israeli elite do?

No, no.
I suggest a more important question for world peace and for the rule of law is what are the other nations of the world to do now. Genocide on this scale is the ultimate crime. So we have all been told for eight decades, anyway. So what are WE the people of the world going to do about THAT crime, one WE permitted to occur in OUR lifetimes?

In my opinion, the only objective solution would be a transition to a truly free society, but this would include the rejection of any ethnic or religious superiority, and the recognition of equal rights for all residents of this territory, regardless of nationality.

Either division into two fully independent states, or equality within one jurisdiction.

In other words you want to ‘reward’ the perpetrators of the WORST crimes of racist-motivated mass-murder, ethnic cleansing, LAND THEFT, and genocide.
No.
For the rule of international law to prevail —and be SEEN to prevail — now is the time for a clear PUNISHMENT to be administered to:
i.) the perpetrators of these crimes, viz. ALL Israelis, their leadership, their soldiers, the citizens voting for it, encouraging it, cheering it on and supporting it;
ii.) the people worldwide who enabled it, supported it, armed it, defended it, justified, etc. That includes the governments of all countries who did this, and those in power and authority in the media.

My suggestion is that we all be scrutinised for what we did, wrote online and said. Those who supported tge ultimate crime of genocide should be arrested, tried and when convicted the punishment should be exile to some uninhabited desert region for a duration relevant to the extent of the support/complicity.
The mythology of ‘the Jewish State of Israel’ over this eight decades slow-genocide and ethnic-cleansing-by-stealth has been that predominantly Ashkenazi jewish settler-invaders made an uninhabited desert bloom by ingenuity and hard work.
So that would be a fitting punishment and exile.
Let’s see if they can do it for real. If they can, they will reclaim land lost to erosion. If they can’t they will serve their sentences in a justifiably ironic realisation of their deception.

Nevertheless, the events in Palestine have caused widespread criticism in different countries of the world. It is worth clarifying the terminology. "The purge failed" in this case means that "it has not been possible to completely clear this territory of Arabs since 1948" (and it will not be possible anymore).

You propose to collectively judge all Israelis, but not even all Palestinian liberation organizations agree with you.

Organizations that advocate democratic liberation, for example, assume that after the victory a secular state will be built, where all residents not involved in brutal war crimes will live as citizens with equal rights. And "total expulsion" was not really considered even by Gamal Abdel Nasser during the 1967 war, when Israel attacked Arab countries. The Iranian leadership of today does not consider it either.

It is also unclear what to do with Jews around the world who are not citizens of Israel. I mean, some Jews are against the IDF's actions in Palestine, and they are actively protesting. Should anti-Zionist Jews also be arrested, stripped of their rights, and deported, or is this only for Zionists?

The proposed punishment includes such a cruel measure as the mass expulsion of a huge group of people. Although what the IDF is doing in Israel is terrorizing the civilian population, what you are proposing falls under the definition of cruel and unusual punishment. After all, even the most brutal serial killers, like Ted Bundy, have the right to a lawyer and due process. At what point does an Israeli become guilty? The day he is born in occupied territory? The moment he starts paying taxes to Israel? All of this is a very vague definition. War crimes and violations of international law require the creation of a commission that would come to precise formulations to ensure justice for the victims and punishment for the perpetrators. So far I don't see who could create such a commission. The ICC, for example, issued an arrest warrant for Netanyahu, but since he enjoys the support of America and Europe, naturally he was not arrested.

[Wahrheitssucher]

Rather, the events of World War II, which were unfortunate for the Axis powers, created a unique opportunity for the Zionist leadership.

If what is happening in Palestine is a cleansing, then it has largely failed, in the sense that in 77 years the Arab population has not been displaced (and is unlikely to be displaced ever).

This statement is so far away from the reality of the facts that is either:
a.) delusional denial;
or
b.) deliberate zionist deception.

Now the question is, what will the Israeli elite do?

No, no.
I suggest a more important question for world peace and for the rule of law is what are the other nations of the world to do now. Genocide on this scale is the ultimate crime. So we have all been told for eight decades, anyway. So what are WE the people of the world going to do about THAT crime, one WE permitted to occur in OUR lifetimes?

In my opinion, the only objective solution would be a transition to a truly free society, but this would include the rejection of any ethnic or religious superiority, and the recognition of equal rights for all residents of this territory, regardless of nationality.

Either division into two fully independent states, or equality within one jurisdiction.

In other words you want to ‘reward’ the perpetrators of the WORST crimes of racist-motivated mass-murder, ethnic cleansing, LAND THEFT, and genocide.
No.
For the rule of international law to prevail —and be SEEN to prevail — now is the time for a clear PUNISHMENT to be administered to:
i.) the perpetrators of these crimes, viz. ALL Israelis, their leadership, their soldiers, the citizens voting for it, encouraging it, cheering it on and supporting it;
ii.) the people worldwide who enabled it, supported it, armed it, defended it, justified, etc. That includes the governments of all countries who did this, and those in power and authority in the media.

My suggestion is that we all be scrutinised for what we did, wrote online and said. Those who supported tge ultimate crime of genocide should be arrested, tried and when convicted the punishment should be exile to some uninhabited desert region for a duration relevant to the extent of the support/complicity.
The mythology of ‘the Jewish State of Israel’ over this eight decades slow-genocide and ethnic-cleansing-by-stealth has been that predominantly Ashkenazi jewish settler-invaders made an uninhabited desert bloom by ingenuity and hard work.
So that would be a fitting punishment and exile.
Let’s see if they can do it for real. If they can, they will reclaim land lost to erosion. If they can’t they will serve their sentences in a justifiably ironic realisation of their deception.

You propose to collectively judge all Israelis…

Not only them. All people who supported the genocide and assisted it in any way. Didn’t you get that?

It is also unclear what to do with Jews around the world who are not citizens of Israel. I mean, some Jews are against the IDF's actions in Palestine, and they are actively protesting. Should anti-Zionist Jews also be arrested, stripped of their rights, and deported, or is this only for Zionists?

Try re-reading my suggestion.
I made it clear that all should receive a fair trial to ascertain the degree of complicity and punished accordingly. That applies to everyone, not just jews or Israelis. Again why are you misrepresenting that?

Do you believe in the rule of law, or not?
Do you believe genocide is the ultimate crime and those complicit in it should receive a commensurate punishment?

The proposed punishment includes such a cruel measure as the mass expulsion of a huge group of people. Although what the IDF is doing in Israel is terrorizing the civilian population, what you are proposing falls under the definition of cruel and unusual punishment.

No it doesn’t. Prison time is an acceptable punishment for murder. For so many guilty people a special type of prison will be required.

I deleted the rest of your reply as delusional or deceitful misrepresentation of reality and not in need of a considered reply.

[InuYasha]

Not only them. All people who supported the genocide and assisted it in any way. Didn’t you get that?

Yes, you are proposing to punish all those guilty to one degree or another of this crime.

Try re-reading my suggestion.
I made it clear that all should receive a fair trial to ascertain the degree of complicity and punished accordingly. That applies to everyone, not just jews or Israelis. Again why are you misrepresenting that?

Do you believe in the rule of law, or not?
Do you believe genocide is the ultimate crime and those complicit in it should receive a commensurate punishment?

Yes, I believe in law and the rule of law. Mass murder of people is always a terrible crime.

All criminals should be punished, especially those guilty of such a heinous crime as mass murder. Punishment should be based on the law, including the right to counsel, a jury, and due process, and all those charged with complicity in mass murder should be given the presumption of innocence. In other words, if there is a trial in court, everything should be done according to the rules. I.e. "You are innocent until proven guilty," and the proof must be "beyond a reasonable doubt," given the obvious gravity of the charge.

No it doesn’t. Prison time is an acceptable punishment for murder. For so many guilty people a special type of prison will be required.

Prison is a deserved punishment for murderers, and in some jurisdictions mass murder is punishable by death (though I personally am against the death penalty).

However, this was expressed in harsh terms. Again, there should be a presumption of innocence in a trial. Some Jewish kid growing up in Tel Aviv who never committed a crime will be found innocent if the trial is fair. Where are the (innocent) relatives or children of those found guilty of mass murder supposed to go?

I deleted the rest of your reply as delusional or deceitful misrepresentation of reality and not in need of a considered reply.

This is because you consider me some kind of Israeli shill. Fortunately, not all revisionists are like that, in any case, I have not encountered any emotional rejection from the texts of Jurgen Graf, Arthur Butz, Robert Faurisson and other well-known authors, despite their obvious anti-Zionist position, they did not look hostile in my eyes at all. There must be a reason for this.

[Wahrheitssucher]

Not only them. All people who supported the genocide and assisted it in any way. Didn’t you get that?

Yes, you are proposing to punish all those guilty to one degree or another of this crime.

Try re-reading my suggestion.
I made it clear that all should receive a fair trial to ascertain the degree of complicity and punished accordingly. That applies to everyone, not just jews or Israelis. Again why are you misrepresenting that?

Do you believe in the rule of law, or not?
Do you believe genocide is the ultimate crime and those complicit in it should receive a commensurate punishment?

Yes, I believe in law and the rule of law. Mass murder of people is always a terrible crime.

All criminals should be punished, especially those guilty of such a heinous crime as mass murder.

Prison time is an acceptable punishment for murder. For so many guilty people a special type of prison will be required.

…Again, there should be a presumption of innocence… [strawman statements of undisputed fact removed]

I deleted the rest of your reply as delusional or deceitful misrepresentation of reality and not in need of a considered reply.

This is because you consider me some kind of Israeli shill.
…they [famous revisionists] did not look hostile in my eyes at all. There must be a reason for this.

The reason is “they” did not witness the increasingly wicked and cruel mass-murder that WE are now witnessing on a daily basis.
Plus…
There is nothing “hostile” about abhorring cruel, racist mass-murder, land-theft and ethnic cleansing over eight decades, is there?

Likewise why do you think it is “hostile” to abhor a wicked starvation and bombing policy, that is maiming and murdering predominantly women and children?

Why are you constantly trying to minimise the severity of this extremely wicked crime?

And finally… why are you attempting to deflect from the obvious guilt of Israeli society in this evil behaviour?