The "Holocaust" and creation of Israel

[InuYasha]

The more you study the issue of the Holocaust, the Shoah and everything connected with it, the more you get the impression that this whole topic was heated up for years, long before its actual beginning (according to the statements of official historians), and with a number of very specific goals.

It is impossible not to notice that references to the Holocaust began long before the German Revolution of 1933, and even before the emergence of the ideology of National Socialism at the level of a simple concept. Even in the 1900s, among the headlines of newspapers, one could come across a mention of 6,000,000 Jews who were "threatened with extermination." Of course, one or two references could be written off as a simple coincidence, like anything, but there were dozens, if not hundreds of them. Moreover, even where the number 6 did not appear, but, say, 5, 4 or 7 million, it is still extremely suspicious. Even if we accept the orthodox historians' claims about the National Socialist policies as true, there was no political force between 1900 and 1933* that would seek to exterminate the Jews at the state level.

The very creation of Israel would be hard to imagine without the widely ingrained notions of the Holocaust. Without 1941-45, there would be no 1948, and vice versa. This was seen as a moral retribution - the Jews were threatened by the Holocaust, so they needed their own country where they would be safe from its repetition.

Ironically, 77 years later, one can conclude that the Madagascar plan was a much more adequate option than the one that was actually chosen. It would have created a place for the Jewish people where they could live peacefully, and not conflict with the peoples around them. Ironically, this was the plan that the AH and Mussolini insisted on before the escalation of the war, including the war at sea, in 1942 forced them to abandon it.

Thus, the stage was set for a continuous bloodbath in the region in the 1940s, a series of wars and conflicts that have not ended to this day, and it is not clear whether they ever will.

Moreover, if the notion of mass extermination is dismantled, then, at least from a democratic point of view, the war between Germany and the Soviet Union becomes a battle between two dictatorships. The notion of mass murder gave Stalin a large political carte blanche, without which he would have been perceived as "another dictator" rather than "the greatest ally of the free world", as American and British propaganda often claimed in 1941-45.

Without the idea of ​​the Holocaust it would be hard to imagine such a politically controversial decision as the one taken in 1948. Even with all the war propaganda, it was met with resistance. As a clear example, in 1947 the murders of British officers in Palestine shocked a number of British citizens, and led to protests in which some protesters, if I am not mistaken, raised AH on banners (one of the slogans of the protest was that "Hitler was right").

I come to the conclusion that the idea of ​​the Holocaust was promoted by those circles that benefited from the creation of Israel. Everything went according to plan, from the first fears in the early 20th century, to the seemingly sudden reports of mass murder in late 1942, as reported by the American journalist Douglas Reed, who follows these contradictory claims in real time. By the end of 1943, the scattered reports had turned into a stream of reports of alleged mass murder, and after the end of WWII, the Nuremberg Tribunal laid the legal foundation for the official version.

Finally, by 1948, half a century of effort bore fruit - Israel was created in the Middle East.

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*Yes, according to the official version, the extermination began in January 1942, but intentionalist historians claimed that Hitler had been trying to "kill them all" from the moment he came to power.

[TlsMS93]

Many regions of the planet have already been offered to the Zionist leaders as Jewish colonies but none of them pleased them, only Palestine interested the wretches and as in 1939 the McDonald White Paper was installed, only a catastrophic and paradigmatic event would make the world abandon any pretense of giving autonomy to the Arabs in favor of a division of the Mandate of Palestine that was never really intended despite promises such as the Balfour Declaration, there the Holocaust began to be seen as a tool of blackmail and they used Germany as a pawn for its state anti-Semitism.

[InuYasha]

Many regions of the planet have already been offered to the Zionist leaders as Jewish colonies but none of them pleased them, only Palestine interested the wretches and as in 1939 the McDonald White Paper was installed, only a catastrophic and paradigmatic event would make the world abandon any pretense of giving autonomy to the Arabs in favor of a division of the Mandate of Palestine that was never really intended despite promises such as the Balfour Declaration, there the Holocaust began to be seen as a tool of blackmail and they used Germany as a pawn for its state anti-Semitism.

I don't understand why they didn't agree to any of the many options offered? The Zionists were not satisfied with the Uganda plan proposed by the British in 1903, although it could have led to the creation of a Jewish state called Uganda, in the then sparsely populated areas of Kenya. This did not require some complex myth. Hitler's Madagascar plan would have created a state for them in the same way. All this would have helped to avoid the many wars that took place in the Middle East. So, they fundamentally did not consider any other territory except Palestine.

The Holocaust seemed like the perfect excuse for the Zionists to create Israel in the territory where it was created.

The creation of Israel on its current territory was one of the main reasons for the conflict between the West and Islam. This is a kind of stumbling block.

[Stubble]

Because the Levant is made of magic dirt sky daddy promised them if they would just keep is commandments and give him his due.

Only the blood soaked soil of Canaan will do. Carthage won't cut it.

[InuYasha]

Because the Levant is made of magic dirt sky daddy promised them if they would just keep is commandments and give him his due.

Only the blood soaked soil of Canaan will do. Carthage won't cut it.

But this led them to their current state of constant conflict with the Arabs. The Zionists in 1948 should have understood this more than anyone else.

They may have been inspired by the re-creation of ancient Israel, which had been extinct for 2,000 years, but they had many alternatives they could have accepted, especially since the Jewish people were in danger.

The fact that they rejected them shows that the Zionists largely did not care about ordinary Jews.

[borjastick]

(((They))) had never had the perfect opportunity to gain their own ethno state like they got after Hitler and the Nuremberg laws and then the european second war. All of this added up to the perfect storm for them inside which to create their claimed genocide and 6m deaths.

The stage was set, the curtains went up et voila! israel was born. All they now needed was to clear the land of the real inhabitants and for that they took the long game which we see concluding in Gaza at this time.

[InuYasha]

(((They))) had never had the perfect opportunity to gain their own ethno state like they got after Hitler and the Nuremberg laws and then the european second war. All of this added up to the perfect storm for them inside which to create their claimed genocide and 6m deaths.

The stage was set, the curtains went up et voila! israel was born. All they now needed was to clear the land of the real inhabitants and for that they took the long game which we see concluding in Gaza at this time.

Rather, the events of World War II, which were unfortunate for the Axis powers, created a unique opportunity for the Zionist leadership.

If what is happening in Palestine is a cleansing, then it has largely failed, in the sense that in 77 years the Arab population has not been displaced (and is unlikely to be displaced ever). Now the question is, what will the Israeli elite do?

In my opinion, the only objective solution would be a transition to a truly free society, but this would include the rejection of any ethnic or religious superiority, and the recognition of equal rights for all residents of this territory, regardless of nationality.

Either division into two fully independent states, or equality within one jurisdiction.

[HansHill]

The Zionists were not satisfied with the Uganda plan proposed by the British in 1903, although it could have led to the creation of a Jewish state called Uganda, in the then sparsely populated areas of Kenya.

I'm with the Jews on this point, holy s**t imagine being sent to go live in Kenya. That would be an actual Holocaust!

[InuYasha]

The Zionists were not satisfied with the Uganda plan proposed by the British in 1903, although it could have led to the creation of a Jewish state called Uganda, in the then sparsely populated areas of Kenya.

I'm with the Jews on this point, holy s**t imagine being sent to go live in Kenya. That would be an actual Holocaust!

Kenya is livable, and it's far from the worst country in Africa. I mean, if they wanted a state where they would be safe from anti-Semites, and then the British came and said, "Here it is! Take it." And the Zionists refused.

As the example of Rhodesia has shown, even in such negative climatic conditions as Central and West Africa, it is possible to create a completely normal life.

[Wahrheitssucher]

(((They))) had never had the perfect opportunity to gain their own ethno state like they got after Hitler and the Nuremberg laws and then the european second war. All of this added up to the perfect storm for them inside which to create their claimed genocide and 6m deaths.

The stage was set, the curtains went up et voila! israel was born. All they now needed was to clear the land of the real inhabitants and for that they took the long game which we see concluding in Gaza at this time.

Rather, the events of World War II, which were unfortunate for the Axis powers, created a unique opportunity for the Zionist leadership.

If what is happening in Palestine is a cleansing, then it has largely failed, in the sense that in 77 years the Arab population has not been displaced (and is unlikely to be displaced ever).

This statement is so far away from the reality of the facts that is either:
a.) delusional denial;
or
b.) deliberate zionist deception.

Now the question is, what will the Israeli elite do?

No, no.
I suggest a more important question for world peace and for the rule of law is what are the other nations of the world to do now. Genocide on this scale is the ultimate crime. So we have all been told for eight decades, anyway. So what are WE the people of the world going to do about THAT crime, one WE permitted to occur in OUR lifetimes?

In my opinion, the only objective solution would be a transition to a truly free society, but this would include the rejection of any ethnic or religious superiority, and the recognition of equal rights for all residents of this territory, regardless of nationality.

Either division into two fully independent states, or equality within one jurisdiction.

In other words you want to ‘reward’ the perpetrators of the WORST crimes of racist-motivated mass-murder, ethnic cleansing, LAND THEFT, and genocide.
No.
For the rule of international law to prevail —and be SEEN to prevail — now is the time for a clear PUNISHMENT to be administered to:
i.) the perpetrators of these crimes, viz. ALL Israelis, their leadership, their soldiers, the citizens voting for it, encouraging it, cheering it on and supporting it;
ii.) the people worldwide who enabled it, supported it, armed it, defended it, justified, etc. That includes the governments of all countries who did this, and those in power and authority in the media.

My suggestion is that we all be scrutinised for what we did, wrote online and said. Those who supported tge ultimate crime of genocide should be arrested, tried and when convicted the punishment should be exile to some uninhabited desert region for a duration relevant to the extent of the support/complicity.
The mythology of ‘the Jewish State of Israel’ over this eight decades slow-genocide and ethnic-cleansing-by-stealth has been that predominantly Ashkenazi jewish settler-invaders made an uninhabited desert bloom by ingenuity and hard work.
So that would be a fitting punishment and exile.
Let’s see if they can do it for real. If they can, they will reclaim land lost to erosion. If they can’t they will serve their sentences in a justifiably ironic realisation of their deception.

[TlsMS93]

I'm with the Jews on this point, holy s**t imagine being sent to go live in Kenya. That would be an actual Holocaust!

They said that the Madagascar plan was one more step towards extermination due to the adverse conditions. Yes, living in a desert is wonderful, right?

[HansHill]

Living in the "desert" would be disastrous for an actual European, yes probably not so disastrous for semites. I think climate is relatively minor, and the actual problem would be living in such close proximity to their new neighbours. I'm reliably informed these neighbours hold a modern homicide rate that fluctuates between 3.5 and 5.5 per 100,000 (quadruple to quintuple that of Israelis and Europeans), with ethnic conflict rife. So yes, they would quite literally be walking into an actual Holocaust!

[Wahrheitssucher]

Living in the "desert" would be disastrous for an actual European, yes probably not so disastrous for semites. I think climate is relatively minor, and the actual problem would be living in such close proximity to their new neighbours. I'm reliably informed these neighbours hold a modern homicide rate that fluctuates between 3.5 and 5.5 per 100,000 (quadruple to quintuple that of Israelis and Europeans), with ethnic conflict rife. So yes, they would quite literally be walking into an actual Holocaust!

1. Depends which ‘desert’. There are suitable deserts in the USA.
Plus I am envisaging ‘prison cities’ that have secured boundaries which prevent escape AND prevent interaction with neighbouring societies.

2. Ashkenazis are NOT ‘semites’.

[TlsMS93]

They were even offered Patagonia in Argentina and refused it, which shows that the Jewish question was not a question of survival but of preference. Those who have no power or influence will gladly accept any place. They know the power they have and that is why they put their foot down, first selling Germany in World War I to get the US to join the conflict, with the Balfour Declaration as a pledge, and then creating the Holocaust as a way of disinhibiting the United Nations in their favor.

The idea of ​​a single state in Palestine with Jews and Arabs living together peacefully clashes with the racist fear of the Jews that they will soon be a minority due to the higher fertility rate of the Arabs, and the Jews were forbidden from having more than one wife a thousand years ago. So only they can live there. It is this or nothing, that has already been settled. As for the idea of ​​two States, it is another inconvenience due to the small size of that region and for economic and religious reasons such as natural gas fields on the coast of Gaza and historical regions such as Jerusalem and the third temple.

[Stubble]

Because the Levant is made of magic dirt sky daddy promised them if they would just keep is commandments and give him his due.

Only the blood soaked soil of Canaan will do. Carthage won't cut it.

But this led them to their current state of constant conflict with the Arabs. The Zionists in 1948 should have understood this more than anyone else.

They may have been inspired by the re-creation of ancient Israel, which had been extinct for 2,000 years, but they had many alternatives they could have accepted, especially since the Jewish people were in danger.

The fact that they rejected them shows that the Zionists largely did not care about ordinary Jews.

They don't care, it was always about magic dirt.