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Finland, my home country, is making it a crime to question this baseless conspiracy theory.
The government is proposing to add a provision to the criminal code to outlaw Holocaust denial and other serious international crimes.

Suggesting that the Holocaust did not happen will become a punishable offence, with the penalty ranging from a fine to two years' imprisonment.

The government submitted the legislative proposal to Parliament on Thursday, with the law expected to come into force this autumn.

The Finnish government proposal is based on the EU's framework decision on combating racism and xenophobia.
Yle (Finland's national public broadcasting company): Finland to criminalise Holocaust denial: https://yle.fi/a/74-20162044 (15.5.2025)
The mainstream Holocaust narrative is a baseless conspiracy theory.
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Is talking about crime statistics also hate speech there? Or na?

You know, you can run around and talk about the flat earth, or the geocentric model, or so many other bits of craziness, but, you can't question the holocaust (tm). Kind of makes you think...
were to guess why no t4 personnel were chosen to perform gassing that had experience with gassing, it would be because THERE WERE NONE.
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Well, well. Another "democratic" country throws freedom of speech into the trash, because protecting the Great Myth from any research is so important. I won't be surprised if the law will be passed, and Finland will also imprison people for revisionism.
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The 'great myth' doesn't need to be protected from research, it is a prima facie preposterous and gratuitously absurd hoax. No more research is necessary. But, rather than sit back and observe that, why doesn't CODOH attempt to do something about it? For example, why not write up a list of 10 facts showing that the holocaust is a hoax, and sending the list to the Finnish members of Parliament and Finnish media? I'll give it a shot: each fact will be supported by a photo or link ...

#1 - Jews began floating the holohoax in 1906 with this article in the NYT -
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#2 - Jews extensively promoted the hoax in WW I, the book "The First Holocaust, Jewish Fundraising Campaigns with Holocaust Claims During and After WW One." is documented with many articles from the NYT and other Jewish press.
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#3 - Jews attempted to get Roosevelt to promote the holohoax in 1943 and were told by "that President Roosevelt was too busy being the head of a nation to be bothered with saving Jews from a mythical pogrom. "https://www.saveisrael.com/others/hecht/hechtchild.htm
#4 - The door into the hoax gas chamber at Auschwitz is a typical wooden office door with a large plate glass window.
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#5 - The Nazis kept meticulous records. At Auschwitz they included death certificates for the prisoners that died including the cause of death and religion, and monthly summaries known as death books. The Soviets captured and hid the records, revealing them after glasnost. More Roman Catholics died at Auschwitz than Jews.
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#6 - The US/British made a file 'Nazi Death and Prison Camps' shown at Nuremberg. It contains footage of dead prisoners in the camps who had died of disease, primarily typhus, and allied bombing (at Nordhausen) at the end of the war. This film is the source of the photographs used to document the hoax. For example, the Oprah Winfrey/Elie Wiesel Auschwitz Special showed six screenshots from the film as being of Jews gassed by the Nazis. E.g. Belsen:
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#7 Auschwitz was a large industrial center, supported by labor from prisoners, companies included Siemens, Krupp, ... and the USHMM numbers now, after much revision, show that the Nazis killed almost every prisoner that arrived (1.1M to 1.3M arrived, 1M+ killed)
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#8 The Auschwitz album, https://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/exhibit ... /index.asp, quoting "The Auschwitz Album is the only surviving visual evidence of the process leading to the mass murder at Auschwitz-Birkenau."
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#9 Hoess's confession - the supposed architect of the hoax testified at Nuremberg as a defense witness! First he signeed an affidavit that he had killed 2.5 million Jews, gassing 2 million, then he confess to gassing 1 million. He was tortured.
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#10 Blobel's confession - there are no bodies of holocaust victims, the Jews explain that the Nazis buried, dug up, and burned the bodies. Paul Blobel confessed to the crime - here is his absurd confession - (he 'uncovered the bodies, poured on some gas, as lit the fire)
https://famous-trials.com/nuremberg/191 ... laffidavit
#11 - The US sent a team of forensic pathologists led by Charles Larson into the camps and they conducted 100s of autopsies, not a single case of cyanide poisoning was found.
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# 12 The hoax has disappeared at Majdanek, the only other hoax 'death camp' in existence at the end of the war.
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#13 - The most widely promoted and read book on the hoax is E. Wiesel's 'Night". In it we read on page 6 -"Babies were tossed into the air and used as targets for machine guns". Wiesel was prisoner when the Nazis were supposedly killing 10,000 Jews per day in Auschwitz in gas chambers disgusied as shower room, yet Wiesel doesn't mention gas chambers, and says he saw them killing Jews by tossing them alive into two burning pits, one for children, one for adults, page 32.
https://www.renaissanceacademyschools.c ... t_book.pdf
14. The actual gas chambers at Auschwitz where Zyklon-B was used to kill millions ..... of lice.
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15. The number of Jews killed for being Jews in the camps is 0, and the Nazis aggressively investigated crime in the camps, unlike the US at Abu Graib. Buchenwald Commandant Otto Koch was tried and executed for his involvement in the the deaths of 3 prisoners.
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16. The Jews have made it illegal to examine the hoax is Europe, Russia, Canada, and, remarkably, the rest of the world seems to accept this prohibition
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17. Holohoax testimony is gratuitously absurd, e.g. Wiesel, Meuller, Levi, Zizblatt, Abraham Bomba, who gave haircuts to naked women and children in the gas chamber, just before they were gassed -
https://old.bitchute.com/video/UCqHl5eIZ0In/
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Most of these items are written up at holohoax101.com
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Joe Splink wrote: Tue May 27, 2025 2:04 pm I'll give it a shot:
You are correct Mr Splink, and I agree with you - the problem is however, thats not how Western Liberal Democracy works. There is no Enlightenment ideal such as the marketplace of ideas, where ideas are shared and the best come out on top. I have absolutely no idea about the political landscape in Finland but I imagine this is being rammed through by Zionist lobbyists that have subverted Finnish institutions*. They will not cede ground based on convincing arguments.

To take a (slightly) less controversial example - we have a pretty good understanding of racial differences including IQ and intellectual capacity. In a Western Liberal Democracy it would be next to impossible to ask Parliament to scrap DEI policies by sending them papers about race & IQ - it simply won't work that way.

In a different thread I made the point that "Might Makes What Is". Exterminationists won WW2 with bombs and bullets, and so they get to decide what is. This will not change until Non-Exterminationists (peacefully) reclaim their institutions and relegate this rubbish to the dustbin of history.

*As an aside, this is one of the primary reasons why I tend to disagree with Germar Rudolf's outlook on "who" is perpetuating the Holocaust myth. While the Poles were absolutely present and possibly over-represented at the time when the stories were being fabricated, it would be wild to suggest that "The Polish Lobby" if such a thing exists, is subverting Finnish political institutions in 2025 to jail Finnish dissenters. Likewise it is not the "Polish Lobby" organising itself and subverting political institutions across the West for their very peculiar and specific ethnic interests!
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HansHill wrote: Tue May 27, 2025 2:32 pm
Joe Splink wrote: Tue May 27, 2025 2:04 pm I'll give it a shot:
You are correct Mr Splink, and I agree with you - the problem is however, thats not how Western Liberal Democracy works. There is no Enlightenment ideal such as the marketplace of ideas, where ideas are shared and the best come out on top. I have absolutely no idea about the political landscape in Finland but I imagine this is being rammed through by Zionist lobbyists that have subverted Finnish institutions*. They will not cede ground based on convincing arguments.
From what I've heard, most of this type of legislation is top-down and comes from the EU, or is based on EU directives on 'hate speech', etc.
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Revision wrote: Sun May 25, 2025 8:40 pm Finland, my home country, is making it a crime to question this baseless conspiracy theory.
The government is proposing to add a provision to the criminal code to outlaw Holocaust denial and other serious international crimes.

Suggesting that the Holocaust did not happen will become a punishable offence, with the penalty ranging from a fine to two years' imprisonment.

The government submitted the legislative proposal to Parliament on Thursday, with the law expected to come into force this autumn.

The Finnish government proposal is based on the EU's framework decision on combating racism and xenophobia.
Yle (Finland's national public broadcasting company): Finland to criminalise Holocaust denial: https://yle.fi/a/74-20162044 (15.5.2025)
Hello Revisionist,
I feel it is important to oppose laws banning scholarly Revisionism.
CODOH has been successful in defeating "Defense of Holocaust Belief laws" in Iceland and Ireland.
Do you know where we can send calm, polite letters opposing criminalizing discussion of historic matters?
Can you
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Revision wrote: Sun May 25, 2025 8:40 pm
The Finnish government proposal is based on the EU's framework decision on combating racism and xenophobia.
Since not a single non-White was ever beaten or killed in the name of Holocaust revisionism, one has to conclude that the Holocaust itself is a political weapon against racism and xenophobia, that is, Globalist atrocity propaganda. Political partisanship is clearly on the side of Holocaust propagandists, not the other way round.
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Joe Splink wrote: Tue May 27, 2025 2:04 pm
15. Buchenwald Commandant Otto Koch was tried and executed for his involvement in the the deaths of 3 prisoners.
He was tried and executed by the 3rd Reich before the end of WWII. An important clarification for the less informed people.
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I'd also mention he was a commander at Majdanek, and was executed for 3 deaths while he was commandant of Buchenwald. After an investigation by Konrad Morgen.

I'd also point at Morgen's IMT testimony regarding unauthorized killing in the Reich. The thing commonly referred to as the Holocaust (tm).
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I don't know if this will help, but there is a European petition site where you can select "Finland" and petition for changes in that country (in this case, not to pass the law criminalizing revisionism):
https://www.openpetition.eu/fi/region/p ... en_GB.utf8

Also, according to some information, you can send a letter to the Finnish government, at the following postal address, this is the Prime Minister's Office: PL 11, 00014 KANSLIAPÄÄLLIKÖN TOIMISTO

Considering that the law is being considered by the Parliament, you can also send a letter there. The postal address of the Finnish Parliament is: Eduskunnan kirjaamo, 00102 Eduskunta

You can also write to the e-mail address:
kirjaamo(at)eduskunta.fi

If there are Finnish citizens on this forum, I think they know better.
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Joe Splink wrote: Tue May 27, 2025 2:04 pm .
#1 - Jews began floating the holohoax in 1906 with this article in the NYT -
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With the criminalization of holocaust denial and the push for mandatory world wiid holocaust education Russia should be compelled and even self motivation to name the key figures who were involved in planning the genocide of their 6 million jewish citizens.

It only makes sense to identify the Russian Hitler, the Russian Himmler etc. It's important not only to hold those historic figures accountable, but to solidify the history by providing the facts to guard opportunists who will engage in denial.

There is no shortage of people that will point to the absence of detail regarding this history as evidence of a pattern of historic fraud.
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InuYasha wrote: Wed May 28, 2025 10:29 pm I don't know if this will help, but there is a European petition site where you can select "Finland" and petition for changes in that country (in this case, not to pass the law criminalizing revisionism):
https://www.openpetition.eu/fi/region/p ... en_GB.utf8

Also, according to some information, you can send a letter to the Finnish government, at the following postal address, this is the Prime Minister's Office: PL 11, 00014 KANSLIAPÄÄLLIKÖN TOIMISTO

Considering that the law is being considered by the Parliament, you can also send a letter there. The postal address of the Finnish Parliament is: Eduskunnan kirjaamo, 00102 Eduskunta

You can also write to the e-mail address:
kirjaamo(at)eduskunta.fi

If there are Finnish citizens on this forum, I think they know better.
Thank you. I will send some letters
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DavidM wrote: Mon Jun 02, 2025 3:00 am Thank you. I will send some letters
Welcome. Although one person here thinks I am some kind of "Jewish Zionist infiltrator", that is far from the truth. I support freedom of speech and research, especially when it is under threat.
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InuYasha wrote: Mon Jun 02, 2025 6:14 pm
DavidM wrote: Mon Jun 02, 2025 3:00 am Thank you. I will send some letters
Welcome. Although one person here thinks I am some kind of "Jewish Zionist infiltrator", that is far from the truth. I support freedom of speech and research, especially when it is under threat.
Hello InuYasha, I have emailed several Finnish officials and a news agency trying to find out about the proposed
anti-historic discussion law. When/if I get a response I will follow up on your suggestion of posting a petition.
Thank you for your advice.

As an aside, the Finns deported a total of 8 Jews back to Germany during WWII. These 8 were German or Austrian
and some were wanted for criminal acts. No Finnish/Jewish citizens were deported. I don't think the Finns need
to prove anything by suppressing Free Speech!
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