Is the demonization of Hitler as we see even warranted at all?

[Stubble]

It is time to take most of this discussion to at least 3 different threads.

Bottom line, the demonization of Hitler is an unwarranted disservice to history.

[Wahrheitssucher]

Do you hate Jews? If you had the chance, what would you do to them?

Ha ha ha!

No, I don’t hate jews. Your simplistic approach is laughable if it wasn’t so dangerous.

Can you refute any of the evidence provided to you?
Please do, if you think you can.

Did you even know about Barbara Spectre,
or James A. Malcolm?
or Jacob Schiff?
or Rosa Luxembourg?

This is just the tip of an enormous ‘ice berg’.

And your response is ‘do you hate jews?’.

Which is exactly the response made when people publicise, protest against and condemn the abhorrent mass-murder of Palestinians.

Only zionist-supporting Jews do that… or paid-up shabbat-goyim, …or brainwashed, gullible minions.

…Even if, as you claim, Jewish bankers supported the Bolsheviks, this is not a "conspiracy".

First it is not my “claim”. It is well documented fact. Even Schiff’s grandson declared it.

…you represent a significant danger. A threat to freedom, to peaceful interaction of peoples.

On the contrary. I represent no danger to decent, peaceful, honest people.
I maybe am seen as a “threat” only to people who conceal their actions and motives. I am TOTALLY for peaceful interaction of ALL people, based on mutual respect and transparency. I am a democratic socialist by political persuasion. I stand for EQUAL human rights for all without favouritism or bias. I am against lies, deceptions and censorship.

Zionists and Jewish supremacists also pose a threat to this idea. Both sides are fanatical, as I see it. It's like being stuck between two forms of evil.

I don’t regard myself as fanatical. Only as widely read and well-informed in a world that seems increasingly ignorant, ill-informed and — most dangerously — mis-informed. By that I mean that I believe that a majority believe promote and act out of deliberate misinformation and calculated manipulation of their attitudes and understanding.
E.g. the fact that providing verifiable information of decades of Jewish control, manipulation and immoral, destructive activity is ignored and rejected by you because you have been programmed to regard ANY criticism of jews collectively means that I must hate ALL jews.

Your ridicule here is completely inappropriate.

I didn’t mean to ridicule you. And if you felt that then I unreservedly apologise.

I started studying the subject of revisionism not so long ago, and I was in a sense enthusiastic, because I was sure that it would shed light on history and help in the fight against injustice, will help stop this impending disaster. But it seems that I was deeply mistaken.

No, I don’t think you were mistaken. An honest, unbiased and good understanding of the past is crucial to avoid repeating the same mistakes.

I am only suggesting you have been misinformed if you believe:
1. Putin is a bad guy for wanting to restrict NATO expansion and must therefore be wanting world conquest.
2. that imagining groups of Jews might be organising and planning ANY kind of covert activity means you are a ‘crazy conspiracy theorist’,
3. that understanding the zionist involvement and orchestration of numerous clandestine actions and goals means you are an ‘ant-semite’,
4. that understanding Hitler and the NSDAP have been painted as icons of evil for geo-political zionist aims means I must be a ‘Hitler-loving neo-Nazi’.

Do you see?

I believe that Hitler recognised something in his own time and was demonised for recognising it… and for attempting to combat it.

That demonisation is being used NOW to justify the genocide in occupied Palestine.

It is being used NOW to discredit European nations wanting to maintain their national identity and limit immigration.

It is being used NOW to censor, suppress and criminalise historical revision of WW2 and the Jewish experience within it.

You didn’t answer my questions.
Had you heard of all the tip-of-the-iceberg names I mentioned. If you hadn’t heard of even one of them I respectfully suggest it is because our society lies to us by omission and censorship.

The demonisation of Hitler and the NSDAP is a crucial part of that deception.

[Stubble]

Democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what is for dinner, hence the founders moved away from direct democracy.

National Socialist Germany was the best solution to the miscarriage that was weimar.

If you think that in 'their' democracy you will have right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, I remind you, 'you will own nothing and you'll be happy'.

I again encourage you to read 'jewish utopia' by higger next to 'the revelation' and to recognize the parallels to the world in which we find ourselves today.

I ask you, will you take 'the mark'? Will you prostrate yourself to those who deem themselves your moral superiors? Will you sacrifice liberty and the pursuit simply to cling on to what some may refer to as life?

One by one everything you value and hold dear will be stripped from you, even the bread from your table. This will be done in the name of impossible equality, and the struggle will be continuous.

As for me and mine, I will not be submitting to the theft of everything I possess, including my life, so that a group of sadists can play at world making while treating all of mankind as a lego set with which some sky genie has given them the right to play.

I cherish the hybrid system our founding fathers forged and I feel strongly about the molestation that framework has undergone.

By "their" democracy you probably mean "Jewish plutocracy"?

But what you mean has nothing to do with democracy and freedom. It's just a modern version of slavery or serfdom.

In a real democracy you have separation of powers, you can express your beliefs without fear of repression. A truly free state - independent of significant forms of external influence.

I am not going to sacrifice freedom for some external masters, whatever they are called. And I am not going to submit to "them", whoever they are.

I only stand for freedom for all nations. That is why I believe it is important to stop demonizing Germany and Japan as soon as possible, to give them real sovereignty, and not its illusion, as it has been for the last 80 years.

In your America, 1% of the population is already disenfranchised and is perceived as little better than the witches of the Middle Ages. This is mass madness, which has been steadily increasing since the late 1970s.

So is there real freedom anywhere? Rather, it is an ideal to strive for.

A combination of no true scotsman and that's not real communism.

That's rather novel.

A reminder, you are dismissive of this at your own peril.

I reiterate, the ground we have covered for the last 2 or 3 pages should be split in to at least 3 different threads.

I am not going to compose a novella with cited facts and 30k plus words in this thread here and now, especially not simply for you to ignore it and not engage with any of the root.

Read jewsih utopia and the revelation side by side, then look out your window.

https://odysee.com/@Z_Kyle:2/what-am-I-but-a-goyim--:c

[InuYasha]

First it is not my “claim”. It is well documented fact. Even Schiff’s grandson declared it.

I have already read about it. It seems he was trying to finance subversive and so-called revolutionary groups inside Russia, justifying it by saying that "anti-Semitism" was thriving there. But these communists turned Russia into hell! How many people died during the civil war, famine, and then the Second World War. Such a great country was turned into a communist prison for decades, and even in the late USSR the standard of living lagged behind the West, Japan and even the Warsaw Pact countries. He must be an incredible sadist to finance such ultra-groups like Lenin, Trotsky, etc. However, in Russia they claim that the Bolsheviks were brought into the country by the Germans in a sealed train car. Almost no one talks about Jews and their role.

On the contrary. I represent no danger to decent, peaceful, honest people.
I maybe am seen as a “threat” only to people who conceal their actions and motives. I am TOTALLY for peaceful interaction of ALL people, based on mutual respect and transparency. I am a democratic socialist by political persuasion. I stand for EQUAL human rights for all without favouritism or bias. I am against lies, deceptions and censorship.

This is good, and I also advocate peace for all nations and equal rights for all people. Although the concept of "all people" includes Jews as well. And also equal rights for people regardless of ethnicity, gender, religion, orientation, political views, and so on.

I don’t regard myself as fanatical. Only as widely read and well-informed in a world that seems increasingly ignorant, ill-informed and — most dangerously — mis-informed. By that I mean that I believe that a majority believe promote and act out of deliberate misinformation and calculated manipulation of their attitudes and understanding.
E.g. the fact that providing verifiable information of decades of Jewish control, manipulation and immoral, destructive activity is ignored and rejected by you because you have been programmed to regard ANY criticism of jews collectively means that I must hate ALL jews.

By "fanaticism" I mean the zeal with which revisionists defend their beliefs despite the hatred and persecution they face, both at the state level and in their daily lives. I sometimes get the feeling that some revisionists may share hateful views, as one person used to actively insult me, calling me a "kike" and a "delusional person". This person was also a National Socialist, and yes, he was indeed an apologist for AH, calling him a "liberator". For me personally it is hard and unpleasant to see both an Arab saying "death to all Jews!" and a Jew saying "death to all Arabs!" I have experienced both cases and they are obviously related to hatred and misunderstanding. I hope someday peace and mutual acceptance will be achieved among them, as well as other peoples of the world.

I didn’t mean to ridicule you. And if you felt that then I unreservedly apologise.

I accept your apology, and I also apologize if I offended you earlier.

No, I don’t think you were mistaken. An honest, unbiased and good understanding of the past is crucial to avoid repeating the same mistakes.

I think all revisionists would agree that history should be unbiased and objective. There was a wonderful moment when David Cole and Ernst Zundel collaborated to research and revise the supposed Holocaust. This was remarkable, because one was a Jew and the other a German, but they had a common goal. I would like to see more of this, but it would probably be as dangerous for a Jew to ask such questions as it would be for a German. For someone with non-right-wing political views, revisionism would seem to make no sense. It is surprising that Faurisson and Rassinier adhered to it.

I am only suggesting you have been misinformed if you believe:
1. Putin is a bad guy for wanting to restrict NATO expansion and must therefore be wanting world conquest.
2. that imagining groups of Jews might be organising and planning ANY kind of covert activity means you are a ‘crazy conspiracy theorist’,
3. that understanding the zionist involvement and orchestration of numerous clandestine actions and goals means you are an ‘ant-semite’,
4. that understanding Hitler and the NSDAP have been painted as icons of evil for geo-political zionist aims means I must be a ‘Hitler-loving neo-Nazi’.

Do you see?

I believe that Hitler recognised something in his own time and was demonised for recognising it… and for attempting to combat it.

That demonisation is being used NOW to justify the genocide in occupied Palestine.

It is being used NOW to discredit European nations wanting to maintain their national identity and limit immigration.

It is being used NOW to censor, suppress and criminalise historical revision of WW2 and the Jewish experience within it.

You didn’t answer my questions.
Had you heard of all the tip-of-the-iceberg names I mentioned. If you hadn’t heard of even one of them I respectfully suggest it is because our society lies to us by omission and censorship.

The demonisation of Hitler and the NSDAP is a crucial part of that deception.

No, I do not know any of the above persons, with the exception of Rosa Luxemburg, a Marxist activist of Jewish origin, as she has received some coverage in my country. Demonization is a propaganda technique, it may be subjectively understandable during war, but it is mostly harmful. Even a Jewish propagandist like Ilya Ehrenburg, whose articles I have read dozens if not hundreds of, criticized a writer after the war who had single-mindedly portrayed German soldiers and Germany as "evil" on almost satanic levels. After the war, he seemed to sincerely renounce his previous hatred of the Germans.

I do not want to discuss current Eastern European politics in those aspects, because firstly it is beyond the scope of the topic at hand, and secondly it all has an incredibly personal meaning for me, and some people may be my enemies at this historical moment. So it's better to limit ourselves to the topic of this forum. I don't consider AH a "unique demon" in history, although I do consider him morally evil. I admit that he is not the "unilateral warmonger" he has been portrayed as since 1945, although he too bears responsibility for the outbreak of WWII and the subsequent casualties.

[Stubble]

Holocaust revisionism is not strictly speaking a right wing endeavor at all. For example, when I test on the political spectrum, I fall in to a category called 'libertarian centrist'. Germar is not a right winger either. You shouldn't be surprised that some of the earliest and most influential revisionists were not right wing. Truth is not the purview strictly of right wing adherents, although with the left wing, by any means necessary, the ends justify the means and the idea of a noble lie seem to have deeper roots.

Ultimately a commitment to being less wrong is invaluable.

The transport of the bolshevik leaders into Russia has become less taboo over the years.

Believe it or not, Myron C Fagan in his pressing of 'ILLUMINATI' does a pretty good job on the historiography. He misses some details here or there and in a couple of places he fills in the gaps himself, there are even a few times (very few) where he is straight up wrong. Ultimately though, I've read textbooks that are significantly further from the truth on various issues than he happened to be in his oration.



For posterity, 'ILLUMINATI'

See also, 'The Other Israel';

[Wahrheitssucher]

No, the “demonization of Hitler” and the NSDAP has NEVER been “warranted”.
And it appears that many more people are now courageous enough to express publicly (though anonymously) their realisation of that plus their understanding that the WW2 ‘history’ which we have all been brainwashed with from infancy, by school curricula, TV documentaries, main-stream ‘news’ media, the hollyweird film industry, government directives, war museums, etc., is a crock of sh*t.

That hordes of people have broken their conditioning and realised this truth is demonstrated by the huge amount of short often amusing social-media films, memes, posts, etc., that are being posted on Instagram and Tiktok.

[Nazgul]

Bottom line, the demonization of Hitler is an unwarranted disservice to history.

JFK said in his diary:
"You can easily see how, in a few years, Hitler will emerge from the hatred that now surrounds him as one of the most important figures who ever lived," writes Kennedy.


He adds: “Hitler had boundless ambitions for his country, which made him a danger to world peace, but there was a mystery surrounding him in the way he lived and the way he died, which will live and grow after him. He had the stuff that legends are made of."

[InuYasha]

No, the “demonization of Hitler” and the NSDAP has NEVER been “warranted”.
And it appears that many more people are now courageous enough to express publicly (though anonymously) their realisation of that plus their understanding that the WW2 ‘history’ which we have all been brainwashed with from infancy, by school curricula, TV documentaries, main-stream ‘news’ media, the hollyweird film industry, government directives, war museums, etc., is a crock of sh*t.

That hordes of people have broken their conditioning and realised this truth is demonstrated by the huge amount of short often amusing social-media films, memes, posts, etc., that are being posted on Instagram and Tiktok.

Do you think there will ever be a point in history when the widespread hatred of the AH and National Socialism will give way to more moderate views? As of 2025, despite all the work and efforts of revisionists, most people believe in orthodoxy, and Hitler is another word for "the Devil".

[Wahrheitssucher]

No, the “demonization of Hitler” and the NSDAP has NEVER been “warranted”.
And it appears that many more people are now courageous enough to express publicly (though anonymously) their realisation of that plus their understanding that the WW2 ‘history’ which we have all been brainwashed with from infancy, by school curricula, TV documentaries, main-stream ‘news’ media, the hollyweird film industry, government directives, war museums, etc., is a crock of sh*t.

That hordes of people have broken their conditioning and realised this truth is demonstrated by the huge amount of short often amusing social-media films, memes, posts, etc., that are being posted on Instagram and Tiktok.

Do you think there will ever be a point in history when the widespread hatred of the AH and National Socialism will give way to more moderate views?

Yes, I do. It is happening now.
It usually takes about three generations after nations go to war, for the war-time propaganda and visceral hatred to dissipate.
Those who are sent off to fight (+ their loved ones) believe the war-time rhetoric. Naturally, otherwise they wouldn’t kill and risk being killed. So they STILL believe it and help perpetuate it AFTER the was is over. They need to STILL believe it, in order to justify their own mass-murder and crimes-against-humanity and/or to give meaning to their suffering and sacrifices.
Their children are brought up to have the same emotional attachment to hating their parents’ enemies and their enemies leaders. And that will apply to most of the academics and historians who are children of the generation that fought.

But… The grandchildren are far enough removed from the conflict for educated mature ones to have a more objective, detached view of the conflict. Many of the academic historians amongst that third generation will be able to objectively and unemotionally re-evaluate the history. But those amongst them who are prepared to be the first to risk doing so publicly, and in print, will be few. Those who do risk it, will therefore only make small adjustments and concessions to objective truth.

But those concessions and adjustments will enable the fourth generation of academics to make much greater acknowledgements of error and self-deception in the previous consensus history.

We are now at the stage where the third generation are now in charge of the centres of learning. When the fourth generation have become the professors and custodians of universities, I predict that we who are then alive will see big changes and a beginning of the rewriting of WW2 history. But that won’t trickle down to the masses and popular entertainment until perhaps the fifth and sixth generations.

As an example look at the attitude to Napoleon. He was the evil, bogeyman of the 19th century. But no-one regards him as such now. Plus since the 1950s he’s been regarded as a military genius and great but perhaps personally flawed leader.

Adolf has had much greater vilification. And that is because in his case it is world jewry who have controlled the narrative, and as they control the media and film industry they have been able to prolong the demonisation narrative longer than is normal. They had a vested interest in perpetuating the simplistic, distorted ‘worst icon-of-evil’ misrepresentation, mainly to justify their nationalistic, fascist, mass-murderous, racist ethnic-cleansing for jew-only lebensraum in Palestine.
The ‘holocaust’ mythology is the basis upon which that demonisation is based. Consequently, the fairer perception of Adolf has been delayed.

But as the glee-ful mass-murder in occupied Palestine has revealed the lying, psychopathic, racist, nationalist, hateful nature of the world-wide zionist-supporting jews, this overdue reappraisal of Adolf has accelerated. Those who understood the lies about him HAD been silent for fear of the reprisals that inevitably follow. But the boastful slaughter of children by the world jewry who almost in totality support Israel, has opened a lot of people's eyes. And with that comes the realisation that on some things about jews collectively, what Adolf and the NSDAP said was actually not wrong after all.

[InuYasha]

No, the “demonization of Hitler” and the NSDAP has NEVER been “warranted”.
And it appears that many more people are now courageous enough to express publicly (though anonymously) their realisation of that plus their understanding that the WW2 ‘history’ which we have all been brainwashed with from infancy, by school curricula, TV documentaries, main-stream ‘news’ media, the hollyweird film industry, government directives, war museums, etc., is a crock of sh*t.

That hordes of people have broken their conditioning and realised this truth is demonstrated by the huge amount of short often amusing social-media films, memes, posts, etc., that are being posted on Instagram and Tiktok.

Do you think there will ever be a point in history when the widespread hatred of the AH and National Socialism will give way to more moderate views?

Yes, I do. It is happening now.
It usually takes about three generations after nations go to war, for the war-time propaganda and visceral hatred to dissipate.
Those who are sent off to fight (+ their loved ones) believe the war-time rhetoric. Naturally, otherwise they wouldn’t kill and risk being killed. So they STILL believe it and help perpetuate it AFTER the was is over. They need to STILL believe it, in order to justify their own mass-murder and crimes-against-humanity and/or to give meaning to their suffering and sacrifices.
Their children are brought up to have the same emotional attachment to hating their parents’ enemies and their enemies leaders. And that will apply to most of the academics and historians who are children of the generation that fought.

But… The grandchildren are far enough removed from the conflict for educated mature ones to have a more objective, detached view of the conflict. Many of the academic historians amongst that third generation will be able to objectively and unemotionally re-evaluate the history. But those amongst them who are prepared to be the first to risk doing so publicly, and in print, will be few. Those who do risk it, will therefore only make small adjustments and concessions to objective truth.

But those concessions and adjustments will enable the fourth generation of academics to make much greater acknowledgements of error and self-deception in the previous consensus history.

We are now at the stage where the third generation are now in charge of the centres of learning. When the fourth generation have become the professors and custodians of universities, I predict that we who are then alive will see big changes and a beginning of the rewriting of WW2 history. But that won’t trickle down to the masses and popular entertainment until perhaps the fifth and sixth generations.

As an example look at the attitude to Napoleon. He was the evil, bogeyman of the 19th century. But no-one regards him as such now. Plus since the 1950s he’s been regarded as a military genius and great but perhaps personally flawed leader.

Adolf has had much greater vilification. And that is because in his case it is world jewry who have controlled the narrative, and as they control the media and film industry they have been able to prolong the demonisation narrative longer than is normal. They had a vested interest in perpetuating the simplistic, distorted ‘worst icon-of-evil’ misrepresentation, mainly to justify their nationalistic, fascist, mass-murderous, racist ethnic-cleansing for jew-only lebensraum in Palestine.
The ‘holocaust’ mythology is the basis upon which that demonisation is based. Consequently, the fairer perception of Adolf has been delayed.

But as the glee-ful mass-murder in occupied Palestine has revealed the lying, psychopathic, racist, nationalist, hateful nature of the world-wide zionist-supporting jews, this overdue reappraisal of Adolf has accelerated. Those who understood the lies about him HAD been silent for fear of the reprisals that inevitably follow. But the boastful slaughter of children by the world jewry who almost in totality support Israel, has opened a lot of people's eyes. And with that comes the realisation that on some things about jews collectively, what Adolf and the NSDAP said was actually not wrong after all.

You forget that October 7 was the result of an attack by Hamas terrorists. Even if Israel is generally cruel to its enemies, we cannot pretend that there were no attacks and killings of civilians. Are those dead Israeli citizens also guilty?

Perhaps the world will stop perceiving Hitler negatively at some point, but it is unlikely to justify his actions.

Napoleon was recognized while the war participants were still alive. In the sixties (19th century), when Dostoevsky wrote Crime and Punishment, his character Raskolnikov saw Napoleon as an inspiration.

Who saw inspiration in Hitler in the nineties, except for a minority of neo-Nazis?

[Wahrheitssucher]

Do you think there will ever be a point in history when the widespread hatred of the AH and National Socialism will give way to more moderate views?

Yes, I do. It is happening now.
It usually takes about three generations after nations go to war, for the war-time propaganda and visceral hatred to dissipate.
Those who are sent off to fight (+ their loved ones) believe the war-time rhetoric. Naturally, otherwise they wouldn’t kill and risk being killed. So they STILL believe it and help perpetuate it AFTER the was is over. They need to STILL believe it, in order to justify their own mass-murder and crimes-against-humanity and/or to give meaning to their suffering and sacrifices.
Their children are brought up to have the same emotional attachment to hating their parents’ enemies and their enemies leaders. And that will apply to most of the academics and historians who are children of the generation that fought.

But… The grandchildren are far enough removed from the conflict for educated mature ones to have a more objective, detached view of the conflict. Many of the academic historians amongst that third generation will be able to objectively and unemotionally re-evaluate the history. But those amongst them who are prepared to be the first to risk doing so publicly, and in print, will be few. Those who do risk it, will therefore only make small adjustments and concessions to objective truth.

But those concessions and adjustments will enable the fourth generation of academics to make much greater acknowledgements of error and self-deception in the previous consensus history.

We are now at the stage where the third generation are now in charge of the centres of learning. When the fourth generation have become the professors and custodians of universities, I predict that we who are then alive will see big changes and a beginning of the rewriting of WW2 history. But that won’t trickle down to the masses and popular entertainment until perhaps the fifth and sixth generations.

As an example look at the attitude to Napoleon. He was the evil, bogeyman of the 19th century. But no-one regards him as such now. Plus since the 1950s he’s been regarded as a military genius and great but perhaps personally flawed leader.

Adolf has had much greater vilification. And that is because in his case it is world jewry who have controlled the narrative, and as they control the media and film industry they have been able to prolong the demonisation narrative longer than is normal. They had a vested interest in perpetuating the simplistic, distorted ‘worst icon-of-evil’ misrepresentation, mainly to justify their nationalistic, fascist, mass-murderous, racist ethnic-cleansing for jew-only lebensraum in Palestine.
The ‘holocaust’ mythology is the basis upon which that demonisation is based. Consequently, the fairer perception of Adolf has been delayed.

But as the glee-ful mass-murder in occupied Palestine has revealed the lying, psychopathic, racist, nationalist, hateful nature of the world-wide zionist-supporting jews, this overdue reappraisal of Adolf has accelerated. Those who understood the lies about him HAD been silent for fear of the reprisals that inevitably follow. But the boastful slaughter of children by the world jewry who almost in totality support Israel, has opened a lot of people's eyes. And with that comes the realisation that on some things about jews collectively, what Adolf and the NSDAP said was actually not wrong after all.

You forget that October 7 was the result of an attack by Hamas terrorists.

No. I did NOT “forget”. But that is in my opinion the Israeli and their puppet PMs and Presidents’ MSM story.
In my understanding, the reality is:
1. This didn’t start on Oct 7th 2023. Israel has been mass-murdering and ethnically cleansing for eight decades.
2. Oct 7th was a ‘false flag’ in that Israel’s illegal hafrada (apartheid) ‘security barrier’ was allowed to be breached and a military response was deliberately delayed for an hour.
3. Hamas militants ONLY tried to capture Israelis to use to bargain for release of the thousands of Palestinian hostages who have been held in Israel for years, often without charge, trial or visiting rights. You maybe weren’t aware of them, but I doubt you could have ‘forgotten’ them if you knew of them.
4. The attempt to capture Israelis for hostage-bargaining can not fairly be called ‘terrorism’. So those brave Palestinians who attempted that can not be fairly called ‘terrorists’.
5. Hamas is a democratically elected political party and government with all the offices, departments and employers that any government has. To designate all workers associated with the legitimate, government of Gaza as ‘members of a terrorist organisation’ is an obvious propaganda deceit.
6. That ALL western govts. and MSM have gone along with this Israeli propaganda deception is shameful, and demonstrates the undemocratic control that zionists have over western media and their political processes.
7. An illegally occupied people has a right under international law to violently resist their occupation. An illegal occupying nation has no right to ‘defend’ against such resistance. People don’t acknowledge this fact of international law because they have been bamboozled and deceived by decades of a very slick PR campaign that falsely depicts the illegal occupier (predominantly European ashkenazi jews) as the ‘victim’.

Even if Israel is generally cruel to its enemies, we cannot pretend that there were no attacks and killings of civilians. Are those dead Israeli citizens also guilty?

Yes to any objective, law-based assessment, of course they are.
8. Any unbiased well-informed person must admit that ALL Israelis living on stolen, ethnically-cleansed land are complicit in a crime. Even if it was their parents and grand-parents who committed the crime, knowing possession of stolen property is complicity in the crime. This is nothing to be debated, but is basic law.
9. Most of the Israeli dead on Oct 7th were ex-IOF and on stand-by so again can not be described as ‘innocent’ nor as ‘non-combatants.
10. Most of the dead either i.) initiated firefights with the Palestinian freedom-fighters, or ii.) were killed by the IOF (Israel Occupation Forces) as part of the ‘Hannibal doctrine’. Admission from IoF members themselves and from Kibbutz survivors like Yasmin Porat have proven that, so that is not up for debate. Its only a question of whether we choose to deny it and instead believe Israeli lies and atrocity propaganda. [https://electronicintifada.net/content/ ... says/38861]
11. Any reference to Oct 7th as some form of justification for Israeli society’s racist hatred, mass-murder, genocide, ethnic cleansing, sniping (targeted murder) of children, double-tap drone killings and gleeful cruelty towards non-Jews in Palestine is deeply reprehensible and I would say either a.) delusional or b.) deceitful.

Perhaps the world will stop perceiving Hitler negatively at some point, but it is unlikely to justify his actions.

What actions are you referring to?
Perhaps people who self-identify as being jewish will have difficulty stopping perceiving Adolf negatively because their emotionally-manipulative conditioning has been so intense and the picture they have been indoctrinated with is such a distorted one. But non-jewish people are waking up to the reality of the deception now.
Do you self-identify as Jewish, InuYasha? If so that might explain why you aren’t yet aware of this development.

Napoleon was recognized while the war participants were still alive. In the sixties (19th century), when Dostoevsky wrote Crime and Punishment, his character Raskolnikov saw Napoleon as an inspiration.

Who saw inspiration in Hitler in the nineties, except for a minority of neo-Nazis?

As was just quoted by Nazgul, J.F.Kennedy regarded Adolf as an inspirational figure from the 1940s onwards. We ONLY know that from a diary entry. Others who regarded Adolf as a phenomenal leader, military and social genius, and force for a great deal of good* haven’t been able to say that publicly because of the stranglehold that jews collectively have over what can be said publicly in society in Europe, America, Canada, and Australia.
For example in India Adolf has ALWAYS been regarded by the majority as a hero, and it is still the case in India now, especially amongst younger people.

Calling anyone who sees any of the many positive contributions Adolf provided to society a ‘neo-Nazi’ is in my opinion a lazy or deceitful tactic.
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(*banning vivisection; introducing wildlife protection laws; creating motorways and the VW Beetle; informing people of the health risks from smoking while capitalist societies were deceiving their populations about it; improving pensions; introducing unemployment benefit; etc., etc.)

[Stubble]

Delayed for 7 hours, also the Hannibal directive was used.

October 7th merits it's own thread.

Sure got net and yahoo out of his legal troubles, didn't it...

[InuYasha]

No. I did NOT “forget”. But that is in my opinion the Israeli and their puppet PMs and Presidents’ MSM story.
In my understanding, the reality is:
1. This didn’t start on Oct 7th 2023. Israel has been mass-murdering and ethnically cleansing for eight decades.
2. Oct 7th was a ‘false flag’ in that Israel’s illegal hafrada (apartheid) ‘security barrier’ was allowed to be breached and a military response was deliberately delayed for an hour.
3. Hamas militants ONLY tried to capture Israelis to use to bargain for release of the thousands of Palestinian hostages who have been held in Israel for years, often without charge, trial or visiting rights. You maybe weren’t aware of them, but I doubt you could have ‘forgotten’ them if you knew of them.
4. The attempt to capture Israelis for hostage-bargaining can not fairly be called ‘terrorism’. So those brave Palestinians who attempted that can not be fairly called ‘terrorists’.
5. Hamas is a democratically elected political party and government with all the offices, departments and employers that any government has. To designate all workers associated with the legitimate, government of Gaza as ‘members of a terrorist organisation’ is an obvious propaganda deceit.
6. That ALL western govts. and MSM have gone along with this Israeli propaganda deception is shameful, and demonstrates the undemocratic control that zionists have over western media and their political processes.
7. An illegally occupied people has a right under international law to violently resist their occupation. An illegal occupying nation has no right to ‘defend’ against such resistance. People don’t acknowledge this fact of international law because they have been bamboozled and deceived by decades of a very slick PR campaign that falsely depicts the illegal occupier (predominantly European ashkenazi jews) as the ‘victim’.

The 7th of October operation was hardly a "false flag" precisely because it was carried out on the anniversary of the Yom Kippur War. It was the largest conflict of the 20th century, when Arab powers tried to destroy the Jewish state - and failed. After 50 years, perhaps it seemed time to repeat it. Hamas has long been trying to eliminate the Jewish state.

To be clear, I condemn all forms of military aggression and state violence, and therefore acts of civilian targeting/murder/torture, etc., whether carried out by Israel, Russia, Germany, or any other country.

However, the Arabs have been trying to destroy the Jewish state for almost 80 years. The attack on October 7, 2023 was just one example of such an attempt. Some of the captured IDF soldiers had their fingers cut off.

The so-called Palestinians did not have their own state until 1948 - they lived under the Mandate of the British Empire, and before that - as part of the Caliphate, the Ottoman Empire.

"The Palestinian people do not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means to continue our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity... It is only for political and tactical reasons that we speak today of the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests require that we postulate the existence of a separate "Palestinian people" opposed to Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons." - Zuhair Mohsen, 1977

The Stanford Review also detailed the falsification of the creation of Palestine and the Soviet involvement in the “Palestinian nationalist deception,” which included:

“Historically, the Palestinian ‘desire for statehood’ and ‘need for liberation’ were largely invented by the Soviet Union. It is no coincidence that the PLO Charter was drafted in Moscow in 1964 and approved by 422 Palestinian representatives selected by the KGB. At the time, the USSR was busy creating popular liberation fronts. The KGB founded the PLO, as well as the National Liberation Army of Bolivia (1964) led by Che Guevara and the National Liberation Army of Colombia (1965).”

Yes to any objective, law-based assessment, of course they are.
8. Any unbiased well-informed person must admit that ALL Israelis living on stolen, ethnically-cleansed land are complicit in a crime. Even if it was their parents and grand-parents who committed the crime, knowing possession of stolen property is complicity in the crime. This is nothing to be debated, but is basic law.
9. Most of the Israeli dead on Oct 7th were ex-IOF and on stand-by so again can not be described as ‘innocent’ nor as ‘non-combatants.
10. Most of the dead either i.) initiated firefights with the Palestinian freedom-fighters, or ii.) were killed by the IOF (Israel Occupation Forces) as part of the ‘Hannibal doctrine’. Admission from IoF members themselves and from Kibbutz survivors like Yasmin Porat have proven that, so that is not up for debate. Its only a question of whether we choose to deny it and instead believe Israeli lies and atrocity propaganda. [https://electronicintifada.net/content/ ... says/38861]
11. Any reference to Oct 7th as some form of justification for Israeli society’s racist hatred, mass-murder, genocide, ethnic cleansing, sniping (targeted murder) of children, double-tap drone killings and gleeful cruelty towards non-Jews in Palestine is deeply reprehensible and I would say either a.) delusional or b.) deceitful.

By calling all Israeli citizens criminals and accomplices, you are walking on the very thin ice of collective accusations. So, if some Islamic rebel from Hamas or a Rafidite militant from Hezbollah kills a Jewish child, then he is participating in the act of "punishing a criminal", isn't that right, Wahrheitssucher?

And what do you think should be done with the Jews now - put them in prison? kill them? send them to Madagascar (as AH wanted)?

Jurgen Graf, during his interview with one of the Russian publications, stated that he "doesn't know what to do" with the Jews after the defeat of Israel. He believed that without Holo-Hoax, Israel would lose support and would soon lose to the Arabs or collapse as a state. So it is unclear where to put millions of Jews in the event of the collapse of Israel.
https://web.archive.org/web/20070310213 ... i/graf.htm

The Allies in 1945-49 considered the ENTIRE German population complicit in the alleged Holocaust. This was the justification for the attacks on Dresden, the bombing of Hamburg, the destruction of Berlin, the mass expulsions of Germans from Silesia and Prussia, the mass murder of Germans in Czechoslovakia. All of these were war crimes committed by the Allies, and the justification was collective responsibility. Unless you are a hypocrite, you must understand that claims of collective responsibility open a moral portal to a world where anyone can be killed who belongs to the "guilty" group. If this applies to the Jews, why not to the Germans? "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."

Jews and Arabs need mutual understanding and reconciliation. Not the destruction of one of the two (or both) groups, not the continued propaganda of hatred. But few even realize this!

What actions are you referring to?
Perhaps people who self-identify as being jewish will have difficulty stopping perceiving Adolf negatively because their emotionally-manipulative conditioning has been so intense and the picture they have been indoctrinated with is such a distorted one. But non-jewish people are waking up to the reality of the deception now.

By actions I mean the disenfranchisement of Jews in 1935 (Nuremberg Race Laws), and the mass deportations of Jews to the USSR in 1941-43, followed by their evacuation to the Reich in 1944. None of the revisionists deny that Jews were disenfranchised, and Jurgen Graf admitted that "no one can deny the fact that Jews were persecuted during the Second World War. These persecutions were extremely inhumane. Many hundreds of thousands of Jews were deported to labor camps, where they died mainly from typhus and other diseases, as well as from hunger and terrible conditions."

https://ruskline.ru/analitika/2002/01/2 ... noj_versii

Do you self-identify as Jewish, InuYasha? If so that might explain why you aren’t yet aware of this development.

No, I am not Jewish and have never considered myself to be Jewish.

As was just quoted by Nazgul, J.F.Kennedy regarded Adolf as an inspirational figure from the 1940s onwards. We ONLY know that from a diary entry. Others who regarded Adolf as a phenomenal leader, military and social genius, and force for a great deal of good* haven’t been able to say that publicly because of the stranglehold that jews collectively have over what can be said publicly in society in Europe, America, Canada, and Australia.
For example in India Adolf has ALWAYS been regarded by the majority as a hero, and it is still the case in India now, especially amongst younger people.

Calling anyone who sees any of the many positive contributions Adolf provided to society a ‘neo-Nazi’ is in my opinion a lazy or deceitful tactic.
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(*banning vivisection; introducing wildlife protection laws; creating motorways and the VW Beetle; informing people of the health risks from smoking while capitalist societies were deceiving their populations about it; improving pensions; introducing unemployment benefit; etc., etc.)

I sincerely understand WHY the Indians and, by the way, the Irish, sympathized and sympathize with the Fuhrer. Apparently, they experienced the "wonderful" life under English colonialism, and Hitler in their eyes is a fighter for freedom against the English.

Prime Minister de Valera expressed his condolences to the German people on May 3, 1945, when German Chancellor Adolf Hitler died. Moreover, Ireland retained the Third Reich embassy after May 8, 1945, despite UN demands to disband it, and sheltered the embassy staff.

Japan, for example, simply seized the embassy and de facto broke off relations with the Third Reich on May 6, 1945.

By sympathy, I meant the mass sympathy for Hitler among new generations at the end of the 20th century. Between 1815 (the defeat of Napoleon) and 1865 (Raskolnikov in the book was just a reflection of Russian students) there is a difference of half a century. Although Napoleon was an aggressor in the eyes of most Russians in 1812, he was no longer so among the younger generation of the 60s. There were also no laws banning the glorification of Napoleon.

In contrast, in 1995, very few people could come out and say "Hey, Hitler is not so bad." Usually, either right-wingers or National Socialists did this. Moreover, in the 1990s, as a result of the success of revisionism, laws were passed in Europe criminalizing the revision of the history of the Holocaust. As for positive changes, I never denied that under the AH the quality of life of the German people improved significantly. Some National Socialists also fought for animal rights, for a clean ecology and the environment. Under Hitler, many Germans could once again afford travel, paid vacations, and social security. In fact, this is why the Third Reich can be considered a socialist state.

I have not seen these diaries of the JFK before, although I have long ago seen the secret diaries of the Soviet writer Mikhail Prishvin, where he defends Hitler and National Socialism, doing so directly during WWII.

"I stand for the victory of Germany, because Germany is a people and a state in its pure form, and, therefore, the individual in its essence remains untouched, while in England the state takes into account the individual, limited by the possibilities of modernity. Of course, this makes it more convenient to live in England, but now the question is not about conveniences, but about the very composition of the individual, about the appearance of prophets broadcasting through the radio and the roar of airplanes. I believe more in the appearance of such individuals where the individual is completely absorbed, and not 95% + 5% freedom: integrity is the condition for the appearance of the individual."

"My "for Hitler" is my denial of our sectarian intelligentsia."

"The Jews and all those close to them hate Hitler with all their blood, this hatred has filled half the world from Rothschild to the Russian intelligentsia beggar married to a Jewess. On the other hand, the other half has turned against the Jews."

"The deepest national sympathy for the Germans is a peculiar manifestation of Russian patriotism (in the sense of Rurik's calling)."

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By actions I mean the disenfranchisement of Jews in 1935 (Nuremberg Race Laws), and the mass deportations of Jews to the USSR in 1941-43, followed by their evacuation to the Reich in 1944. None of the revisionists deny that Jews were disenfranchised, and Jurgen Graf admitted that "no one can deny the fact that Jews were persecuted during the Second World War. These persecutions were extremely inhumane. Many hundreds of thousands of Jews were deported to labor camps, where they died mainly from typhus and other diseases, as well as from hunger and terrible conditions."

It was not a high point in human history.

Now, if I recall correctly, while being condemned by the liberal democracies, the Germans offered as an alternative to the concentration and labor camp system, to ship the jews to the liberal democracies. Unless I am mistaken, they flatly refused to take the jews.

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It was not a high point in human history.

Now, if I recall correctly, while being condemned by the liberal democracies, the Germans offered as an alternative to the concentration and labor camp system, to ship the jews to the liberal democracies. Unless I am mistaken, they flatly refused to take the jews.

Yes, England refused to admit Jews, and did not approve of Hitler's proposed evacuation plan. America was not very happy to see Jews either. At the same time, the Americans were throwing their own citizens of Japanese descent into concentration camps.

There were more than 500,000 case files, though, of Jews who were not admitted according to British Jewish associations. Louise London, author of Whitehall And The Jews, 1933–1948, stated that "The (British immigration) process ... was designed to keep out large numbers of European Jews – perhaps 10 times as many as it let in."

So, is it justifiable to deport part of your country's population if you consider it a "threat"? If not, then the politician who does this is committing evil. If yes, then in what cases can we determine whether the threat is real?

It wasn't the greatest evil in the universe, after all there have been many deportations in history, in the same 1944 when the Jews were being taken back to Germany, Stalin deported the Chechens, Ingush, Kalmyks, Tatars and other peoples to Northern Kazakhstan as potential "enemies". And in 1945 Truman killed the civilian population of Japan with nuclear strikes. But it's still evil.

I think that if the Allies had not declared war on Germany in 1939, and had not refused Hitler's proposals to evacuate the Jews, most of the Jewish inhabitants of the Reich would have survived.

A long time ago I believed that human civilization experienced two catastrophes: May 8, 1945 and September 2, 1945. Now I no longer think so.