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by fireofice
Sun Aug 10, 2025 4:46 am
Forum: Holocaust Research & Discussion
Topic: Video of Germans gassing people with exhaust gas
Replies: 52
Views: 26226

Re: Video of Germans gassing people with exhaust gas

Looking into it more, it appears that the mainstream narrative does claim that at least some of them were shot, see Mattogno's Einsatzgruppen book on p. 315. So it may be that the Einsatzgruppen report only mentioned the shootings, but not the gassings for some reason. Still pretty strange. Although ...
by fireofice
Sat Aug 09, 2025 9:32 pm
Forum: Holocaust Research & Discussion
Topic: Video of Germans gassing people with exhaust gas
Replies: 52
Views: 26226

Re: Video of Germans gassing people with exhaust gas

One thing to note is that there almost certainly was euthanasia carried out against mentally ill people in this hospital. Einsatzgruppen reports mention them being there and carrying out such actions. Although they describe the actions in question as the patients being shot and not gassed. Why they ...
by fireofice
Sat Aug 09, 2025 9:06 pm
Forum: Holocaust Research & Discussion
Topic: Aktion T4, What is true and what is not?
Replies: 15
Views: 5446

Re: Aktion T4, What is true and what is not?

I came across this film that was produced by Hermann Schwenninger on euthanasia called "Existence without life". It wasn't officially released. The film was apparently lost but a reconstruction of it was made. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dasein_ohne_Leben https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvS2jDMvNLY
by fireofice
Sat Aug 09, 2025 7:20 pm
Forum: Holocaust Research & Discussion
Topic: Video of Germans gassing people with exhaust gas
Replies: 52
Views: 26226

Re: Video of Germans gassing people with exhaust gas

That makes more sense. So both images have really unfortunate lighting. I had assumed the film predates the book photo, but if all that is only shadow then it's more likely the other way around. Therefore the building was not reconstructed but destructed. Well it could be either that trees grew ...
by fireofice
Fri Aug 08, 2025 10:37 pm
Forum: Holocaust Debate
Topic: On the Use of Sonderkommando For TB Poles
Replies: 30
Views: 1729

Re: On the Use of Sonderkommando For TB Poles

We know the Jews were sent to Chelmno where SK Lange was housed, and SK Lange was mentioned by name as the group going to euthanize uncurable Poles, so your argument here would be Lange did euthaniziation, then did a different sort of operation with the Jews, then was going to go back to euthanasia ...
by fireofice
Fri Aug 08, 2025 10:18 pm
Forum: Holocaust Debate
Topic: On the Use of Sonderkommando For TB Poles
Replies: 30
Views: 1729

Re: On the Use of Sonderkommando For TB Poles

You're saying the document doesn't suggest that SK Greiser wants to use was the same SK that was used for the Jews, it's a different group? the resources are not the SK members themselves...? He's vague. They may or may not be the ones who carried out the actions against the Jews. But even if they ...
by fireofice
Fri Aug 08, 2025 10:04 pm
Forum: Holocaust Debate
Topic: On the Use of Sonderkommando For TB Poles
Replies: 30
Views: 1729

Re: On the Use of Sonderkommando For TB Poles

bombsaway wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 10:00 pm What is the relevance of "the measure taken against the Jews"?
Once they are done with that, they can focus their resources on other things.
by fireofice
Fri Aug 08, 2025 9:58 pm
Forum: Holocaust Debate
Topic: On the Use of Sonderkommando For TB Poles
Replies: 30
Views: 1729

Re: On the Use of Sonderkommando For TB Poles

OK lets look at it: The special treatment of about 100.000 Jews in the territory of my district (Gau), approved by you in agreement with the Chief of the Reich-Main-Security Office, SS Obergruppenfuehrer Heydrich, can be completed within the next 2-3 months. I ask you for permission to rescue the ...
by fireofice
Fri Aug 08, 2025 9:35 pm
Forum: Holocaust Debate
Topic: On the Use of Sonderkommando For TB Poles
Replies: 30
Views: 1729

Re: On the Use of Sonderkommando For TB Poles

So why does he mention the Jews, at the beginning and say the SK dealing with them should be put to work after the job is done for similar ends? This is not said anywhere in the letter. He never said they should be put to work for "similar ends" to what was done to the 100,000 Jews. You have to ...
by fireofice
Fri Aug 08, 2025 9:08 pm
Forum: Holocaust Debate
Topic: On the Use of Sonderkommando For TB Poles
Replies: 30
Views: 1729

Re: On the Use of Sonderkommando For TB Poles

Ok so explain this paragraph to me then The special treatment of about 100.000 Jews in the territory of my district (Gau), approved by you in agreement with the Chief of the Reich-Main-Security Office, SS Obergruppenfuehrer Heydrich, can be completed within the next 2-3 months. I ask you for ...
by fireofice
Fri Aug 08, 2025 8:51 pm
Forum: Holocaust Debate
Topic: On the Use of Sonderkommando For TB Poles
Replies: 30
Views: 1729

Re: On the Use of Sonderkommando For TB Poles

No, it just means he wants the SK to do the same or a similar thing it did to the 100,000 Jews to the "incurable" Poles. Later documents unmistakably reveal this to be a proposed mass killing operation. What do you think that phrase means? "100,000 Jews" doesn't appear anywhere in that phrase. And ...
by fireofice
Fri Aug 08, 2025 8:16 pm
Forum: Holocaust Debate
Topic: On the Use of Sonderkommando For TB Poles
Replies: 30
Views: 1729

Re: On the Use of Sonderkommando For TB Poles

It's true that SK Lange originally was a more generalized killing unit, euthanaizing people not on the basis of their race but what physical or mental disabilities they had. The documents strongly suggest that the action against the jews was also "euthanasia", any other reading is speculative or ...
by fireofice
Fri Aug 08, 2025 8:13 pm
Forum: Holocaust Research & Discussion
Topic: Video of Germans gassing people with exhaust gas
Replies: 52
Views: 26226

Re: Video of Germans gassing people with exhaust gas

It's fake and staged. It probably is a real car from Einsatzkommando 8, but the Allies definitely had access to all kinds of German vehicles after the war. What distinguishes a car from Einsatzkommando 8, from just a car? The symbols on the car. https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2025/07 ...
by fireofice
Fri Aug 08, 2025 9:18 am
Forum: Holocaust Research & Discussion
Topic: Video of Germans gassing people with exhaust gas
Replies: 52
Views: 26226

Re: Video of Germans gassing people with exhaust gas

Callafangers wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 8:53 am Regarding the alleged location, if the bricks don't fit, you must acquit.
That is weird with the layout of the bricks. What do you make of Sergey's analysis?

https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... ng_23.html
by fireofice
Fri Aug 08, 2025 7:50 am
Forum: Holocaust Debate
Topic: On the Use of Sonderkommando For TB Poles
Replies: 30
Views: 1729

Re: On the Use of Sonderkommando For TB Poles

Yes the Jews were killed, just like he is proposing to do to "incurable" Poles. After their work with the Jews is done, Greiser is saying, they can commence euthanization of the afflicted Poles. Why do you think he brings up the Jews and the SK which has been giving them "special treatment"? Just ...